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Best Bass amp and Speaker cab?

Thanks for all of the replies. I did look at each one of the recommendations and studied all of them. So one last request? I found a Fender Bassman 500 Head for $800.00 and a Fender Bassman 610 Neo Enclosure for $1,400. That should do it. Anyone had or heard of any issues with either of those products or? Any reason to change either the enclosure or head? Thanks for your help.
 
Thanks for all of the replies. I did look at each one of the recommendations and studied all of them. So one last request? I found a Fender Bassman 500 Head for $800.00 and a Fender Bassman 610 Neo Enclosure for $1,400. That should do it. Anyone had or heard of any issues with either of those products or? Any reason to change either the enclosure or head? Thanks for your help.

The Bassman 500 head is 17 pounds and pretty huge for a class D amp + tube preamp. For an extra $100 you can get the GK MB800 fusion (+300 watts, only 5.5 pounds, fits in your gig bag).

The Bassman 610 has neodymium speakers, but still weighs in at 90 pounds in one big box.

If the shlep is a concern, consider an efficient 212 (should be under 50 pounds) and if you need more slam for your outdoor gigs, double up.

Edit: Not saying anything bad about the Fender stuff, just seems kind of big and heavy compared to other offerings.
 
Thanks for all of the replies. I did look at each one of the recommendations and studied all of them. So one last request? I found a Fender Bassman 500 Head for $800.00 and a Fender Bassman 610 Neo Enclosure for $1,400. That should do it. Anyone had or heard of any issues with either of those products or? Any reason to change either the enclosure or head? Thanks for your help.
That'll do you proud every time! :woot: The Bassman Pro 610 Neo is absolutely legendary for great tone. It is 4 ohms so you'll get the full 500 watts out of the head. I'm sure you'll love that rig :thumbsup:
 
Look at the new Mesa Boogie Subway system... The D800 looks promising and reasonably priced at $699. You can also pick up 2 Subway 15s for about $1500. All very light weight... for us old farts.

I would concur with this opinion. From everything we've been able to gather thus far, this rig could turn a lot of heads, providing all the old-skool thump (and old-skoolish style) you could ever want, in a surprisingly compact, lightweight form factor. Don't make a decision 'till you get a chance to try it.

Be the first kid on your block! Don't forget, you heard it here first... :cool:

MM
 
If weight and schlep are any concern you should seriously look at a some 212 cabinets.

I understand the allure of sticking with fender but the bottom line is that within your budget you can get a much more portable rig.

Personally at your pricepoint I'd get two Bergantino CN212 and some sort of light class D head that can do 2 ohms.
The new Mesa subway D800 and the Carvin BX700 come to mind.
 
If weight and schlep are any concern you should seriously look at a some 212 cabinets.

I understand the allure of sticking with fender but the bottom line is that within your budget you can get a much more portable rig.

Personally at your pricepoint I'd get two Bergantino CN212 and some sort of light class D head that can do 2 ohms.
The new Mesa subway D800 and the Carvin BX700 come to mind.

A single Berg CN212 has 104 dB sensitivity, literally twice the volume of most other 212s on the market.


I don't want to derail the OP's thread, but I have A/B'd by Berg CN212 next to an Ampeg 610 (although not the Fender) and the CN212 blew it away in every aspect.- same amp, same bass, same room, same night, literally switched/swapped the speaker cable from one cab to the other during a set.

Two CN212's would probably be overkill for anything short of building demolition...
 
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The Bassman 500 head is 17 pounds and pretty huge for a class D amp + tube preamp. For an extra $100 you can get the GK MB800 fusion (+300 watts, only 5.5 pounds, fits in your gig bag).

The Bassman 610 has neodymium speakers, but still weighs in at 90 pounds in one big box.

If the shlep is a concern, consider an efficient 212 (should be under 50 pounds) and if you need more slam for your outdoor gigs, double up.

Edit: Not saying anything bad about the Fender stuff, just seems kind of big and heavy compared to other offerings.

Agree with dgrizzly's post that the Fender Bassman 500 + Neo 610 is on the heavy side for what you originally posted. Also agree that that set up would rock, but there may be slightly more convenient options that are equally rocking. Some general suggestions:

1) Amp heads - check out the solid state (aka Class D) amp heads and the Hybrid (solid state + tube) amp heads. Each major manufacturer has their line models offering different power wattages. Examples are Ampeg PF series, GK MB and MB Fusion (hybrid), Aguilar ToneHammer, etc. One of the biggest differences in gear over the past 20 years has been improvements in amp heads. These solid state amps can offer a great sounding head in a package under 10 lbs. There are plenty of guys that gig regularly with these smaller amp heads and don't miss their 90lb tube heads too much (at least not enough to keep lugging the old tube heads around).

One thing to also note about the new solid state heads is that watts in these amps are not quite the same as watts for the old tube heads. Watts in these small amps are loud. An Ampeg PF-500 or GK MB-500 (both 500 watts) is plenty loud for most gigs and the PF-800 or GK MB-800 (800 watts) is usually way more than enough. Check out some of the TB reviews on these heads and you will get an idea of what types of gigs they can handle.


2) Cabs - cabs have also improved over the past 20 years and the the neo speakers are lighter yet still deliver good sound. Each major mfg also offers the lighter weight neo cabs.

3) Cab configuration - you may want to look at a modular cab set up. The Neo 610 you mentioned rocks but it is 90 lbs!!! Do you have a residency that you will always play the same 200+ person club each month? Or do you sometimes play the 50 person dive bar as well? If so, that Neo 610 will be way overkill and a hassle to lug to the 50 person dive bar gig.

A modular set up may be more convenient. You can get 2 x 210 cabs, 2 x 212 cabs, or 2 x 115 cabs, or 2 x 410 cabs (check out threads about vertical stacking cabs). For the big gig bring both cabs, for the smaller gigs just bring one cab. Now a days, a good 210 cab and solid state head can easily get you through a 50 person dive bar gig. And the cab and head would weight less than 40 lbs total!!!

If you do go modular, just make sure you buy the cabs with proper ohms so you can pair the cabs and not blow your amp head. I.e. 2 x 8 ohm cabs daisy chained (i.e. parallel) = 4 ohms total. So make sure your amp head can handle the 4 ohm (most heads can go down to 4 ohms). Problems can occur when going below 4 ohms (like daisy chain 8 ohm + 4 ohm cabs).

There are plenty of TB threads about modular cab set ups, vertical stacking, matching cabs (don't even start on the 210 + 115 cab pairing lol).

4) As always, if possible take a listen to the amp and cab set ups before you take the plunge. There are plenty of options out there, especially for your budget, so you may want to tinker around a bit before purchasing.

Enjoy and welcome back to the bass brotherhood! Rock on!
 
In my opinion, which won't buy you a Vente coffee refill, there is a huge difference between sealed cabs and ported cabs. It depends what kind of tone you're going for / you prefer. I have a Berg HD212 / NV610T which I power with a couple of different tube heads and the ported 212 is louder and takes up more "space" in the mix, which is great for a 3 +1 band format. The sealed 610 tends to fit better into a stage mix with more instrumentation because of it's directness.
 
Outdoor gigs - you need all the speaker coverage you can get.

You can buy an additional 8x10 or 4x12 cab and a very lightweight power amp like a Crown XLS1000 - bridged is around 1,000 watts at 4 ohms. Then run a DI from your amp head/stack to the additional 1,000 watt stack.

Lots of lightweight options. Cabs and speakers have gotten lighter. High wattage amps have gotten featherweight. Just choose what you like.
 
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OP, you say you don't want distortion but my guess is you want tube tone.

Before I get to that... no way you can carry all the outdoor low end for a big show without a lot of heavy cabs. Would it be worth putting part of your budget towards subs for the band?

If you can do that, I'd get a V4B and 2 x 212AVs. Weight is 40 for head and 65 each for cabs. Use one indoors and two outdoors. Plenty of tube tone for those times they yell Play Some Skynyrd and you say, OK what do you want to hear!
 
With a $3K budget, I don't know why one would look at Fender. Not trying to be snarky, but you should try Bergantino cabs before you buy anything else. Besides, a 95-pound cab kind of defeats the premise of your OP.

Disclosure: While I am a major Bergantino fanboi, I don't derive any benefit from touting his cabs, other than fantastic tone with virtually any amp (well ... some amps are beyond rehabilitation).
 
While they certainly aren't light (they weigh 98 pounds) I am very partial to Eden D410XL cabinets. Can get super low or downright punchy depending on your taste. I usually use just one, but at outdoor gigs or bigger venues I use two of them. Plus, I am DI-ing in to the PA as well. I love 'em. Oh, and I am 64 years old as well, so I totally understand looking for something light and portable. But I would not give up my Edens.
 
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