Best bass head and cab for drop A deathcore

[Lazarus.Bird]

Man, TB makes me feel really old sometimes. First, I learned there is something called "stoner/doom" music and now it looks like I have to add "deathcore" to the list of music I'm clueless on. Is that anything like Steely Dan?

I really don't understand this although I understand it is made in jest. Doom metal started in the 80s (or even earlier than that if you consider Sabbath doom, although at the time it wasn't called that obviously) and stoner rock started in the 90s. Just because you've never heard of a genre outside of your music circle doesn't make it some strange, obscure thing. Humppa music is a Finnish mix of jazz and foxtrot that originated in the 50s. You've probably never heard of that either. Does that make you feel old as well?

Anyways, as some other people have already mentioned mids are where it's at. When you are playing with two (or sometimes even three) 7 string down-tuned guitars and you scoop your mids like so many metal players like to do, you might as well not plug in your bass when you play live. Sure it sounds cool when you play by yourself but you will be instantly lost in the band mix. In metal mids are how you stand out in the mix. I don't really buy into the "you need this cab when you tune this low" idea. The fEarful cabs are cool and would probably work great, but as Jimmy said people have been using 810s for decades for a reason and they are not going anywhere either.

 

[Bassmec]

LOL! No bro, I'm not going to go that far Actually I think th fEarful is a very sound design and the stuff people are saying about it is true. OK, a fEarful 15/6 isn't going to put out what an 810 does, but it does put out an awful lot of sound, more than a 410 for sure, and it can be EQ'd. So I'm not going to poop on the fEarful any more than I'd poop on the 810.

But I do enjoy your posts, so keep it up and I'll keep laughing

So do I enjoy yours loads! fearful's are great cabs of course, I think greenboy's design is a work of pure genius, its just the Fearful posse get a bit out of there prams round here about what it will actually do in relation to reality.
Sometimes you would think that a pair of 15/6/1's could replace the entire ozzfest PA.
Bollox!
PS Congrats I hear you are on the list now along with our Dave.
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When are we going to see your picture "Planking" Flea Stylee on your new endorsement Ampegs.

 

[makohund]

The fEarful cabs are cool and would probably work great, but as Jimmy said people have been using 810s for decades for a reason and they are not going anywhere either.

That.

I just think anyone that thinks a fEARful is weak in the mids is slightly off their rocker. (Or that a 1515/66 wouldn't compete with an 810.) And between the 8 foot tall honker of doom and the oompah business, I'll just consider that confirmed.

 

[vin*tone]

thanks very much for the quick replies, as it stands right now im most likely leaning more towards the GK 1001rb-II, simply because i can pick one up brand new online for about 1k. from what ive read they seem to have a punchy mid range, which i think will be necessary to cut through the already bass oriented mix.
This being said, im still not sure what cab to put it on, i was thinking a 410 thats rated at like 800w or something would be easy to move to and from gigs, but would a 610 or 810 deliver a better 'tone' or move more air?
not sure whether to look at the lighter gk neo series cabs or to look at ampeg's 410,610 or 810. or perhaps a swr cab.

I also play finger style, hardly ever use a pick. im sure this will make quite abit of difference. so i really need something thats going to allow the softer touch of fingers to be propelled through the mix.

I would look at a pair of 4 ohm 410s and consider something like a SVT4 Pro which would give 500 watts a side. Better safe than sorry. I'm also a bit of an Ampeg fan.

 

[1n3]

What frequency is the passive inductor based low pass filter in the Fearful progressively switching off the 3015LF?
I believe its 300Hz?

I was under the impression we where comparing the ability of one 6" loudspeaker cone operating in a band of 400 Hz to 800hz versus eight close coupled 10" loudspeakers with no crossover losses.

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[Bassmec]

That.

I just think anyone that thinks a fEARful is weak in the mids is slightly off their rocker. (Or that a 1515/66 wouldn't compete with an 810.) And between the 8 foot tall honker of doom and the oompah business, I'll just consider that confirmed.

I have to cater for the needs of other bass players that may or may not use my equipment with utmost caution and in my experience in order to be reliable, its best to think what you might need at the outside then double up on that but then I need an all tube rig too, so here is the other one the other side of the room an all tube totally idiot proof honker of doom:
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I don't think fearfuls have weak mids for what they are at all
they are amazing cabs its just that I need something so loud
so easily that even a seventeen year old brain dead metaler will not want to rag it. because even his profoundly deaf band mates will order him to turn it down right now!.

 

[Bassmec]

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Disappointing so now the fearful 15/6/1 is incapable of the midrange performance I thought it was capable of, it seems?.
So it will only produce <99dB Spl 1 watt 1 meter up to 800hz now, due to a higher crossover point than I thought. I had hoped to get 103 minus crossover losses from 500 up to wherever the tweeter kicks in out of the 18 sound driver
unattenuated, without horn loading.
Thats >a whole dB short of an Ampeg heritage 8 X 10 which is a long way off being the most efficient mid forward 8 X 10
out there.
What are the passive crossover losses per band for the Fearful 15/6/1 does anybody know off hand.
This cabinet is getting less efficient the more you tell me about it.

 

[1n3]

Disappointing so now the fearful 15/6/1 is incapable of the midrange performance I thought it was capable of, it seems?.
So it will only produce <99dB Spl 1 watt 1 meter up to 800hz now, due to a higher crossover point than I thought. I had hoped to get 103 minus crossover losses from 500 up to wherever the tweeter kicks in out of the 18 sound driver
unattenuated, without horn loading.
Thats >a whole dB short of an Ampeg heritage 8 X 10 which is a long way off being the most efficient mid forward 8 X 10
out there.
What are the passive crossover losses per band for the Fearful 15/6/1 does anybody know off hand.
This cabinet is getting less efficient the more you tell me about it.

Well, I can see you got a lot out of that link.

To the OP: when comparing a 15/6 to the 810, most fEARful owners say that given enough power, the 15/6 wins down low, and the 810 wins in the midrange. I can't say which would suit you better. SPL/lb ratio favors the fEARful, but often, that's not important.

 

[vin*tone]

Given that the OP is Australian (I think?) He probably won't have access to a fEarful builder unless he can build it himself.

 

[BurningSkies]

Given that the OP is Australian (I think?) He probably won't have access to a fEarful builder unless he can build it himself.

Australian authorized fEARful builder, also authorized for BFM cabs:


Harley Dear / website soon to follow
Australia, New Zealand, Oceania: [email protected]

 

[BurningSkies]

Disappointing so now the fearful 15/6/1 is incapable of the midrange performance I thought it was capable of, it seems?.
So it will only produce <99dB Spl 1 watt 1 meter up to 800hz now, due to a higher crossover point than I thought. I had hoped to get 103 minus crossover losses from 500 up to wherever the tweeter kicks in out of the 18 sound driver
unattenuated, without horn loading.
Thats >a whole dB short of an Ampeg heritage 8 X 10 which is a long way off being the most efficient mid forward 8 X 10
out there.
What are the passive crossover losses per band for the Fearful 15/6/1 does anybody know off hand.
This cabinet is getting less efficient the more you tell me about it.

First off, the crossover 'soaks' next to no wattage. This is a little FUD that a few guys have tried to push. Also, if you're talking about the 1515/66, you're not looking at 99.8db sensitivity at 700-1kw. You're looking at right around 103db.

Also you are not factoring in the fact that the fEARful can take a lot more power and get a lot louder than most cabs. If you want to put up a 1515/66 against a 810, your 810 will be screaming for mercy well before the fEARful. It will also have better extended lows and superior dispersion off axis than any 8x10, meaning that you'll actually be able to hear those mids you're worried about losing as opposed to only hearing them if you're standing in the beam.

 

[makohund]

Disappointing so now the fearful 15/6/1 is incapable of the midrange performance I thought it was capable of, it seems?.
So it will only produce <99dB Spl 1 watt 1 meter up to 800hz now, due to a higher crossover point than I thought. I had hoped to get 103 minus crossover losses from 500 up to wherever the tweeter kicks in out of the 18 sound driver
unattenuated, without horn loading.
Thats >a whole dB short of an Ampeg heritage 8 X 10 which is a long way off being the most efficient mid forward 8 X 10
out there.
What are the passive crossover losses per band for the Fearful 15/6/1 does anybody know off hand.
This cabinet is getting less efficient the more you tell me about it.

That's half of the stack/cab that most are pointing to for comparison with an 8x10. You use two of those, or add a sub (and bypass the pad on the mid), or do a 1515/66.

 

[rad bassman]

That's half of the stack/cab that most are pointing to for comparison with an 8x10. You use two of those, or add a sub (and bypass the pad on the mid), or do a 1515/66.

OR 2 x 15 subs with a headcase, maybe even a double headcase
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just a thought, if the OP is looking for honky mids,, miss out the low pass on the 3015LF, or maybe 1 x 3015LF with LP and 1 without, i did this for a while when i was waiting for my x-over bits delivery, wasn't what i wanted but still performed well.

FYI, above rig is being powered with a warwick x-treme 10.1 , 1000 watt head

 

[beebassdude]

Im looking for a good head and cab, i play in a tech deathcore band that tunes to drop A. Naturally the head and cab must be able to deliver punchy, clear tones at stage volumes. i want my sound to stand out in the mix, as im up against 2x peavey 5150+, 410's and a drum kit. i want a sound simalar to that of the red shore, rings of saturn, signal the firing squad.
the heads ive been looking at on the net are ampeg svt-7, gk 1001rb-II, swr workingpro700, swr 750x. my price range is between upto $2000aud.
If you could name some nice cabs to go with a head, that would be great. looking around the same price range for a cab.
Thanks in advance, Luke.

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just stick with an Ampeg 810 and an SVT 3 or 4 pro. or you can get a GK head if the SVT pros are out of your range. youll work fine in the mix and will be able to keep up with your guitarists. i used an SVT 4pro/810 in Psyopus and it worked fine, my friend uses the same rig in Wretched and it works fine for him as well.

 

[metlman72]

Deathmetal is not tech deathcore, not even close. Deathcore gives deatmetal a bad rap. You should be playing an octave up, in which case any good cabinet with a decent head would work for you.

 

[rockstarbassist]

Good gawd this thread got stupid and quick but hey that's about par for course on any cab recommendation thread nowadays...

OP- if you're just using your cab as a monitor (read: don't need the full frequency spectrum down to drop A and aren't miking it) spend your money on a nice amp (like the GK) that has a good-sounding DI and get a LOUD cabinet. I'm sure you can find an SVT 810 relatively easy even Down Under and for a good price. Also, other thing to consider is not everyone (including me) likes loud from little boxes. There's a reason nobody touring for anything remotely heavy uses 10x115 setups like people are suggesting. When FreeFULLOL is dead and gone the standard 810 and 215 designs will still be around and kickin' @ss and taking names, so don't get too caught up in the never-was stuff. Get what is comfortable to you and what's easy to find and use.

 

[BurningSkies]

Good gawd this thread got stupid and quick but hey that's about par for course on any cab recommendation thread nowadays...

OP- if you're just using your cab as a monitor (read: don't need the full frequency spectrum down to drop A and aren't miking it) spend your money on a nice amp (like the GK) that has a good-sounding DI and get a LOUD cabinet. I'm sure you can find an SVT 810 relatively easy even Down Under and for a good price. Also, other thing to consider is not everyone (including me) likes loud from little boxes. There's a reason nobody touring for anything remotely heavy uses 10x115 setups like people are suggesting. When FreeFULLOL is dead and gone the standard 810 and 215 designs will still be around and kickin' @ss and taking names, so don't get too caught up in the never-was stuff. Get what is comfortable to you and what's easy to find and use.

Lot of experience with a fEARful, have you?

 

[kosmicwizard]

So do I enjoy yours loads! fearful's are great cabs of course, I think greenboy's design is a work of pure genius, its just the Fearful posse get a bit out of there prams round here about what it will actually do in relation to reality.
Sometimes you would think that a pair of 15/6/1's could replace the entire ozzfest PA.
Bollox!
PS Congrats I hear you are on the list now along with our Dave.
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When are we going to see your picture "Planking" Flea Stylee on your new endorsement Ampegs.

Planking was sooooooo yesterday, Jimmy M is going to "OWL" on his player endorsed AMPEG gear. LOL! Just as my 2x15E and 8x10E maybe yesterday ... I still haven't even heard a Berg and now my Ampeg cabs are obsolete? I sure hope not. Cheers.

 

[BassyBill]

I think the main reason any thread "gets stupid" is whan people assert their opinion as absolute fact, and therefore imply anybody who happens to have a different take is wrong. If any of you have done this here - well, hey, you know who you are and the cap very probably fits.

Being able to objectively evaluate people's views that differ from your own without just arbitrarily dismissing them as invalid is usually a sign of a well developed intelligence. And being unable to do this nearly always shows the opposite.

I've noticed a tendency in this forum recently to belittle other people's choices and that's decidely unhealthy from the point of view of promoting open discussion. If somebody likes something different to you - get over it. I think my amps mod colleagues are with me on this - bashing is trolling. Stop it, or stop posting here at all.

Most of you guys know we don't play the "mod hard asses" very often in this forum - quite the reverse, in fact - but this current trend is pissing a few of us off and so I believe I'm right to make myself clear on this occasion.

 

[Chef]

Well said!
The Trend of General Bashiness Around Here is unacceptable.

Behave as though you were having a face to face conversation with someone you like; which, ostensibly, is why you come here, eh?