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Best class D or hybrid for rock?

I’ll echo what others have said get a good cab situation sorted out for volume. More speaker area = more sound and better quality speakers equal better tone. The more I do this the more I keep coming back to great speakers are essential to getting a great sound. For Bass for guitar , for a PA get the best possible speakers you can. It sucks cause cause they tend to be expensive but you can find deals if you look.

As far as amps. The Darkglass m900 v2 or Alpha Omega heads will get you there with great tone options For clean / gritty and full on nasty overdrive if you want for what your describe plus the headphone / aux option etc. and plenty of power.
The Ampeg SVT 7 also a solid choice and should play nice with your Sansamp.
Might be had for less $.
I personally prefer the Darkglass stuff.
The Mesa amps are also great and play nice with the Sansamp
 
I'll add another voice to sort out the cab side first. Unless the speakers are sitting around with their legs crossed now then throwing in more power gets you broken drivers faster than it gets you volume.

As for the aux and phones, just keep an eye on the marts and on line for some cheap little practice amp with aux in for almost no money, because your sansamp will get you tone and the speaker is irrelevant anyway.

Oh, and sort out the damn guitar player too. My ears are singing to me as I type this and it ain't musical.
 
Thanks for the info. I definitely plan on replacing the cabs as well eventually. I do like the sound of the 15” solo’d now using the sansamp. Adding the 2x10 just doesn’t sound good to my ear even with the same settings so that may be a lost cause. So I think for quiet practice and getting more power/headroom I’d start with a newer amp And solo the 15 for now and hopefully get maybe 2 12’s or something eventually.

Chances are a more powerful amp is just going to break things. Cabinets only go so loud, pumping more juice in doesn't usually get you more volume unless you were using a really anemic amp to begin with.
 
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Hey everyone, new member and somewhat new bassist. I’ve been reading a lot on this forum and trying to demo what I can in search of a new amp. Right now I’ve got an older GK 400rb-iii that I’ve never really loved. I bought a Sansamp last week after reading the hype here and the sound is 100x better for what I’m doing. I play punk, post hardcore, straight rock and roll, and similar. I’m playing a mim passive jazz bass with a pull switch to put the pups in series as another tone option.
That said I’m hoping to get some recommendations on a class D or hybrid amp for all things rock. I’ve had my eye on the m800+, microtubes 900, SVT 7 pro, maybe the 3 pro? I’ve been told my favorite bands (Avail, Smoke or Fire, Hot Water Music, Against Me) all used SVT stuff. I’m playing in a band now with a killer guitarist who has some crazy loud Marshall head and my GK isn’t keeping up. I’ll probably need a new cab eventually as well. Any recommendations would be appreciated
First, welcome to TB.
After reading this entire thread I must concur with the group. You need better cabs first. More power into speakers that were not designed for those cabs will most likely not yield the results you want. You're playing punk & post hardcore with a loud guitar and I'll wager an equally loud drummer. You need to push A LOT of air. Your current 115 won't get it done. And you stated your 210 doesn't do much to help.

Look for something like one 4ohm 2x15; or 2x 8ohm matching 115s, one 4ohm 810, 2x matching 8ohm 410s etc. If your budget allows you could just go for a modern 212 super cab. But, if money is tight older big rigs are cheap in the used market right now (assuming you're in the USA)

Next, make friends with the front end of that GK head. The 400rb is a monster when dialed up right. There are plenty of experienced GK users here who can help you with that. Then add your BDDI to sweeten your mix. Again if budget allows there are plenty of high powered class D amps out there but it would be all for not if you just fry your current speakers.

And most importantly of all. invest in some decent ear plugs & have fun with it.
As always IMO & YMMV. But, 400rb into into 2 x 410XL Hartke's kept up with two Marshall 1/2 stacks and an insane drummer for over a decade. Old school metal \m/ (should have gotten better ear plugs though. Tinnitus is a real thing)
 
First thing on your list should be to confirm all your cabinet's absolute polarity. They may be miswired with respect to one another, or within a multi driver cab.

Plug a speaker cable into the cab and touch the + terminal of a 9v battery to the tip, and the - terminal to the sleeve. The speaker cone should positively displace (move out/forward).
Make sure they all do this.
Then re-assess your volume/tone.
 
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You want to rock? Pure solid-state Class-D has too much of that clean modern sound, ew. Go for a hybrid. To the used market we go.

Warwick Tubepath

Also there are Warwick ProTube and Quad, all have different features and sound, try them out too. I settled for Tubepath. No guitarist ever will be able to drown out this monster when paired with a right cab. Available as 500 or 1000W (I have the 1000W and a Warwick WCA PRO 410 Cab, together they are like a tank), and is affordable too. But it is, well, a monster. Not available new too. If that is too huge for you, you can go for a Class-D Hybrid:

Orange Terror Bass

Also available as 500W or 1000W but is more expensive, especially if you go for new instead of used, but it is pretty compact and light. But is is ade in china and ain#t as durable as the german-made panzer from Warwick up there.


As for cabs I suggest the same Warwick WCA PRO 410 as I have. trust me, these late 2000s Warwick amps and cabs are the most underrated gear on the used market. Also, INCREDIBLY durable.
 
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There is no such thing as the best Class D for rock.
...but you could simply use the best Class D for metal.




I'd recommend the Aguilar Tone Hammer for a tone that shares many characteristics which are associated with the SVT, but is by no means a clone.
Also, it is build quite robust and will run happily even with the master on full.
 
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Has anyone here mentioned that your cabs might be the weak link?

:woot:

I'm not one to begrudge anyone on TB a nice shiny new amp, but I'd get a new cab or two first. Frankly, Jenson drivers in your current cabs pretty much guarantee a :poop: rig. Dump them.

New cab. Or two.
 
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Ok ok ok. I concede to your wisdom and experience. Let’s change the topic a bit then and what cabs would you recommend to pair with the 400rb-iii? I’ve researched that on here too and mainly seen the GK neo stuff being recommended. What else should I look out for?
 
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I love rock. I own my dream rig finally after many many years. It's the SVT 7 PRO with the 810E cab. Only thing I'd probably like better is a straight SVT head. That said, with the gain set correctly, I get great tones out of this rig all by itself. Covers a lot of ground.

Then, add my pedals for flavoring and I'm even more in love. (especially the dUg by itself (sounds just like dUg live because even though it's massive on albums, live really shows you how the bass rips through the mix in the most montstrous tone ever); it's also great clean or dirty and everywhere in between. Or a combination of heavy drive and light chunk from my dUg pedal and light drive from my Vintage Microtubes and I have a rig that sounds like Eddie Jackson on Jet City Woman).

All the others make great stuff too. I'd probably go Orange or GK next, but I'm an Ampeg guy no doubt.
 
Fender Rumble series cabs are good for the money. If you don't mind a little heft you could probably find a matching set of Hartke, Aguilar, GK, or Ampeg cabs for not much money in the used market. Older cabs without neodymium speakers are out of vogue due to their heavier weight, but if that doesn't bother you there are a lot of loud, well-constructed cabs out there for reasonable prices.

If you want to spend more money for something that is light-weight and great sounding, there are the Mesa Subway series cabs and Barefaced, both of which are loud and light but command a premium price. I personally think Barefaced cabs are the best-sounding on the market and they are comically light.
 
Ok ok ok. I concede to your wisdom and experience. Let’s change the topic a bit then and what cabs would you recommend to pair with the 400rb-iii? I’ve researched that on here too and mainly seen the GK neo stuff being recommended. What else should I look out for?
Putting aside the question of brand/model (for which there are lots of good choices), I personally find the ideal setup to be a pair of vertically stacked 2x10s. I have one such set of Avatars which I use in one band, and one of SWRs, which I use with a different band, in each case powered by a 500-watt SS amp. If you ever need more volume than this, you're too damn loud. And getting a couple of speakers up closer to your ears makes a huge difference in your ability to hear yourself when standing in front of it at a rehearsal or on stage.
 
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My opinion and experiences. Cabs: 2 GK CX210 cabs sacked vertically. Amp: Mesa Boogie Subway d800+. This rig is the real deal.
I use this for my main rig. Handles everything from Rock, metal to country, etc... IT IS LOUD TOO.
Light weight and fits in most trunks of cars!!

Of course depending on your financial situation.
 
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Hey everyone, new member and somewhat new bassist. I’ve been reading a lot on this forum and trying to demo what I can in search of a new amp. Right now I’ve got an older GK 400rb-iii that I’ve never really loved. I bought a Sansamp last week after reading the hype here and the sound is 100x better for what I’m doing. I play punk, post hardcore, straight rock and roll, and similar. I’m playing a mim passive jazz bass with a pull switch to put the pups in series as another tone option.
That said I’m hoping to get some recommendations on a class D or hybrid amp for all things rock. I’ve had my eye on the m800+, microtubes 900, SVT 7 pro, maybe the 3 pro? I’ve been told my favorite bands (Avail, Smoke or Fire, Hot Water Music, Against Me) all used SVT stuff. I’m playing in a band now with a killer guitarist who has some crazy loud Marshall head and my GK isn’t keeping up. I’ll probably need a new cab eventually as well. Any recommendations would be appreciated
What's your budget?
 
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Budget is around what I was going to spend on an amp I guess. I’d rather keep some of the cash on hand to go towards an amp eventually.
There are 2 Aguilar db410’s for sale locally. One is 8ohm, one is 4ohm, both are asking $650 which seems like a good price compared to Reverb. I do like the idea of having 2 2x10’s, 2 112’s or 2 115’s so I’m not lugging a big cab to everything but it’s got wheels at least.
 
Ok ok ok. I concede to your wisdom and experience. Let’s change the topic a bit then and what cabs would you recommend to pair with the 400rb-iii? I’ve researched that on here too and mainly seen the GK neo stuff being recommended. What else should I look out for?

Welcome to TB! The place you go when you didn't know you wanted gear until you read about it! :D You're gonna go far, being open to advice on here (not being sarcastic), so I won't beat the drum of what everyone else said, but I'll try and contribute on something I didn't quite see covered yet....

If you need silent practice, what exactly are you after? Do you want to mix in other music (tracks from your band, your favorite songs, etc.) or JUST your bass signal? You're in good shape on this since you have a passive Jazz bass, a lot of solutions right out of the box. If you aren't looking for a specific or super tweakable tone, many small practice amps (Fender Rumble series 15w, Ampeg BA108, Ashdown Tour Bus 10) will have aux input along with a headphone output. TONS of pedals (like the Zoom pedals, which are quite affordable) have this feature, and there's the headphone amps from Vox as well. Most all of these solutions are under $100 new and can be had for even less on the used market. Trust me, there are TONS of those practice amps out in the wild, as they are the go-to for most people who start and quit playing two months later. This way you aren't breaking the bank and you can still keep the 400RB, might even come across a pedal that gives you both a great tone for your amp's front end AND silent practice options!

As far as the cabs question, I personally find the Avatar neo cabs to be my favorite for GK gear. To me, they sound more aggressive than the GK cabs, but that in no way says the GK Neos and CX series CANNOT get aggressive...they just tend to have a rounder low end and "sweeter" highs in my opinion. Several great cab companies out there, but a garbage set of speakers can ruin an otherwise fantastic setup. I will probably get some flaming from others, but I'd steer clear of the Fender Rumble cabs. For vintagey sounding stuff they are ok, but the built-in midscoop of the cabinets themselves can be quite annoying, resulting in less cut for you when playing with a band. Some people claim the GK cabs have a midscoop, but I can tell you right now I thought my Traynor YBA200 was broken until I hooked it up to my Kasino 2x15s w/ Eminence Legend speakers (I am comparing this to two Fender Rumble 1x15 cabs).

However tons of great options are out there, Markbass can be pricey but quality, I hear good things about Aguilar, Eden also makes a good cabinet, but for your purposes I might suggest two GK CX115 cabinets. Pretty affordable, solid tone, and should get plenty loud. If you want to spend a bit more, 2 GK Neo 1x15s (or a pair of Neo 2x12s ideally) would be great. Some Avatar 2x10 neo or 2x12 neo cabs would be my choice, but some more of the "premium" cab companies like Markbass, Mesa, and the higher-end Ampeg cabinets would also do a good job. Ideally, take your 400RB to Guitar Center or Sam Ash, ask the staff if you can try it out on some different cabs, and take home whatever sounds best to you! The best judge is your ears, so use them when you can!

Welcome to the low-end! Best of luck on your cab journey!!