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Best digital wireless- Line 6, Sony, AT, ???

#121
Rocksolid said:
One question with the glx16 wireless tuner pedal. If your battery goes flat or you are just at rehearsal and don't want to use wireless, can you just plug a lead into it and use as a tuner, or is it wireless or nothing?
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It's wireless or nothing. But with this great battery solution (16 hours of use) and a rechargeable battery good for 10.000 hours, equally 2.500 AA batteries, and with a special built-in circuit in the battery itself (according to Shure) that provides a precise estimate of the remaining hours and minutes, you will have very good control over the power situation. Besides, a extra spare battery is quite cheap. I paid $29 for my Shure SB902 and it will last for many years.


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#123
Another good thing about the SB902 battery is that there is no need to discharge it prior to charging. Meaning, this will not affect the overall life of the battery whatsoever. Ref. Batteries and Charging (user manual, page 14)


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#126
Vic Winters said:
What I really like about the Shure unit (aside from the form factor) is that you can charge the thing with just about any USB device and 15 minutes of charging gets you an hour and a half of play time. Really GASing for it.
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Same here. The battery thing plus the smarter wireless technology and USB port is the most appealling feature to me. No more shopping bags filled up with AA batteries before each gig from now on.


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#128
I was leaning towards the line 6 systems until I started looking into the sure. I really like the new technology it has to offer and the option to run it on a pedalboard. The usb charging, battery life, and features have sold me on this unit. I have run a wireless system exclusively on stage for years and can't imagine using a cord ever again. Hopefully by February this little gem will be a part of my rig. I very rarely use effects, but some of the stuff I am doing in a cover band is probably going to call for a little sound coloring eventually and I like the versatility of mounting this on a board. Very well done.
 
#129
FretNoMore said:
I looked at the Shure and I didn't like the footprint of the receiver. It's a bit big.
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Vic Winters said:
It's about a half inch longer than a VT Bass and the same width, which is a good sized pedal. But for me it would replace a tuner and a wireless receiver which combined take up more space.
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Not to mention the built-in antennas that you don't need to worry about vs. the G50.


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#130
JGbassman said:
I was leaning towards the line 6 systems until I started looking into the sure. I really like the new technology it has to offer and the option to run it on a pedalboard. The usb charging, battery life, and features have sold me on this unit. I have run a wireless system exclusively on stage for years and can't imagine using a cord ever again. Hopefully by February this little gem will be a part of my rig. I very rarely use effects, but some of the stuff I am doing in a cover band is probably going to call for a little sound coloring eventually and I like the versatility of mounting this on a board. Very well done.
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I had pretty much already made up my mind about getting the G50 as an upgrade, because I have good experience with the Line 6 wireless. I even have a brand new X2 XDR95 still laying in the original box (never used) because the Relay series was released right after I got it, and 2,4 GHz can be used worldwide unlike the X2. But then I did some research and became aware of this new digital wireless from Shure.

I guess it's not quite fair to compare the GLXD16 vs. the G50 because the G50 has been out now for some years, and Shure, who is a giant in the industry in the first place, have had plenty of time to make improvements and study the shortcomings of the current wireless systems (insufficient battery life, no USB, manual method of adjusting the channels/freq. etc) The tuner is also a bonus. No doubt.


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#131
I use a x2 pedal size wireless i got on clearance after line 6 bought them out. It sounds good and is great to use with effects as its on my pedalboard so i don't have to have another long cable going from the wireless to my pedals like i did when i used rack mount systems. My only complaint is it seems to go through batteries faster but for better sound i can deal with that. My advice is only get a rack mount wireless if you plan to use either no effects or if your going to use a rack mounted effects processor, if you use effect pedals get a pedal style wireless.
 
#132
Nephilymbass said:
I use a x2 pedal size wireless i got on clearance after line 6 bought them out. It sounds good and is great to use with effects as its on my pedalboard so i don't have to have another long cable going from the wireless to my pedals like i did when i used rack mount systems. My only complaint is it seems to go through batteries faster but for better sound i can deal with that. My advice is only get a rack mount wireless if you plan to use either no effects or if your going to use a rack mounted effects processor, if you use effect pedals get a pedal style wireless.
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I agree. The whole point with wireless is to avoid extra cables in the first place. And you also have to take into account the total length of the cables combined, especially if/when all pedals are true bypass like mine. Since I am currently using a G30, it's only 6 meter = 20 feet between the pedals that goes in front of my amp (which is fully acceptable) while the other ones goes in stereo to other Marshalls, which task is to solely reamplify the first one with the addition of 100 % clean stereo effects (reverb, delay, chorus etc)

The GLXD16 is having exactly the same specs (range/dynamic) as the stationary version anyway, so it doesn't matter. That built-in dock charger is cool though.


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#133
Tiger789 said:
And you also have to take into account the total length of the cables combined, especially if/when all pedals are true bypass like mine.
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you shouldn't, as (like with any wireless) the signal is buffered right out of the gate, so cable length never enters into it.

in fact, unless i've missed something, that's one thing the relay still has over the new shure digital, the option to dial in the "sound" of some cable length.
 
#134
synaesthesia said:
Thanks for that, got a Sony and Sonic Research Turbo strobe tuner combo going, love it but gassing for that Shure...just because
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i'm a turbo tuner guy too, so the "tuner" part of the new shure holds absolutely zero interest for me; i'm looking pretty hard at the 14 rather than the 16, the version that's half-rack sized and (big plus) has a battery charger built in, so no futzing around with cellphone chargers on a gig :rollno:
 
#135
Nephilymbass said:
I use a x2 pedal size wireless i got on clearance after line 6 bought them out. It sounds good and is great to use with effects as its on my pedalboard so i don't have to have another long cable going from the wireless to my pedals like i did when i used rack mount systems. My only complaint is it seems to go through batteries faster but for better sound i can deal with that. My advice is only get a rack mount wireless if you plan to use either no effects or if your going to use a rack mounted effects processor, if you use effect pedals get a pedal style wireless.
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You should try some Hi-Tech Li-Ion rechargeable 9v batteries - I've been using them in my X2/Line6 wireless transmitters for quite awhile now, with excellent results...


- georgestrings
 
#137
walterw said:
you shouldn't, as (like with any wireless) the signal is buffered right out of the gate, so cable length never enters into it.

in fact, unless i've missed something, that's one thing the relay still has over the new shure digital, the option to dial in the "sound" of some cable length.
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Despite the fact that the wireless output is buffered (which they are) it's still preferred to keep the total/combined cable length as short as possible. Also, it's not practical to have a (unnecessary) 20 feet cable going from the stationary wireless to the pedalboard, in addition to a 20 feet cable that already goes back to the amp. Besides, a buffered output from a wireless, or from the last pedal on a pedalboard for that matter, can not fully compensate for the resistance and high freq. loss that might occur (depending on the length) vs. keeping the cables as short as possible, including using top notch cables.

As far as the Relay, I don't see why anyone actually would like a cable or a wireless system to remove the natural high freq. from their precious $$ instrument in the first place, as long as it can be avoided. So that "feature" on the Line 6 wireless is kinda meaningless in my personal opinion. I only consider that function as a curiosity to remind yourself about what the alternative could have been. The beauty part (as we all know) with both the Relay and Shure digital wireless, is that you don't loose any high freq. Which therefore makes them perfect in combination with true bypass pedals and short cables.


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#139
JGbassman said:
I don't do a lot of switching effects on/off during songs so I tuck my board at the foot of my amp, keeping the cord length to four feet. Keeps the beer off of it and overzealous lead singers from stomping on it... expensive lessons I've learned in the past.
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Hehe.. I am aware of that scenario. That's just another good reason why one would like to have a wireless built like a tank in the first place, and which is supposed to be stepped on. I don't know if it likes beer though.

Anyway, no singer gets into my territory because they know my Marshalls has the potential to make them very sorry, if I feel like it :bassist: :eek: :help: :hiding:

Wireless mics for lead singers should have been forbidden by law. A 6 feet leash and a non-removable mic stand would have been more than good enough :D


Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
 
#140
Lol tiger that made me laugh. My singer runs iem's and wireless mics, coupled with an unbounding supply of energy he can be found anywhere from on top of the pa cabs to running around on the bar in certain venues we play. This is a high energy rock band and I too do my fair share of running around on stages. We do many outdoor shows in the Summer months to the tune of 1-3k people attending events where the stages are bigger and life is better. I run an svt cl/8x10 at the majority of shows and the guitarists run Marshalls as well but that doesn't phase him. In the winter months we have to endure indoor shows with smaller stages which is where the problem is. Maybe a shock collar and invisible fencing placed around the board lol. More than likely he would probably enjoy the buzz and be setting it off the entire night. He means well but when those lights come on and that first power chord is struck, it ignites a fuse on him that lasts the entire show. I'd rather deal with his antics as opposed to a human mic stand on stage. So high quality equipment with the ability to withstand a little high energy of a rock band is of premiere concern to me. Over my career I have weeded out equipment that can't stand up to the rigors of continual gigging and travel. On shows where a backline is provided I always bring my pedal board, which has preamp distortion and a few other staples in case the backline sucks. By throwing this wireless on the board as well it organizes everything I might need. Hard lessons I've learned from years of gigging.
 

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