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Double Bass Best lightweight amp for upright?

Jason Sypher said:
I've got a line on a GK MB210 combo. 500w into 2x10. I wanted to avoid a combo but it just might get me down the road to a place where I have more money to be particular. Anyone try these, they're basically the mb200 with a 2x10 cab.

When I was in the market for backup cabs I came across those GK MB combos. The equivalent head/cab GK combinations were vastly different than the combos, the combos surprisingly better to my ears. And almost as light. After extensive comparison between the MB 15 and 210 the 15 was hands down the best sounding one. It lacks power and the extension cab capabilities of the 210 but sounded so much better that I got one. Needs have changed and I sold it. But for U-Bass and Upright it did the job very well.
 
I've got a line on a GK MB210 combo. 500w into 2x10. I wanted to avoid a combo but it just might get me down the road to a place where I have more money to be particular. Anyone try these, they're basically the mb200 with a 2x10 cab.

I've played through the one at the Gallery a few times. Sounds OK to me, but it doesn't seem very schlep-friendly. I'm getting to be a bit too frail to bring an amp along these days; sometimes I wish I could, though....
 
Though I don't use an amp much for DB now days, I ended up swapping out a AI Clarus/EA Wizzy 12 combination for a GK MB112. (My current rig is a Gage Realist(wood), LR Baggs PARAcoustic DI into a PA or the GK MB112.) I've run the gamut of high tech/high priced gear to POS combos and with a decent preamp I've been able to make most anything work pretty well. The price difference is about $1000 and the sound difference is mostly negligible...
Seriously the louder you go the less it matters. Any situation where you need your bass to be louder than acoustic that doesn't have PA support is gonna be a compromise. The subtleties of DB are lost as the volume goes up and no amount of amp will bring 'em back. Drums especially will destroy those artifacts and overtones. The rest is up to you as a player to make it compelling enough for people to listen to... which, I would add, is not a issue with you Jason!!

1st choice is always acoustic
2nd is a close mic (or the pickup/DI) to a PA
3rd is a justifiable (fidelity/price/weight/etc.) amount of amp to get the job done.

I would suggest a preamp that fits well with your pick up that you can learn to use in any situation, then the amplification will matter less and you can use any back line or your own small combo. YMMV, FWIW, etc.
-Jeff
 
Im in total agreement. Back in the day when I did have an amp I used a GK400 and a 4x10 with a ply and an underwood. I used to get a great sound. I think I can get what I need right now, swapping out the K10 and getting the combo. It might not be perfect but I will likely use my mic/pre out FOH and my amp by me and the drummer. I did this with a total crap Crate amp the other night and the band was very happy...
 
I've got an MB210, it's a little awkward carrying, but I'm not in NYC anymore and only have to walk from my car to the gig. I can take the bass, amp, and music stand in one trip. I still use my wheel when walking with the bass. The sound works for me even at higher levels. I roll off the bass because this amp seems to pump the low end. My pick up is a Bassmax, which may have something to do with the extra low end.
 
........I've been able to make most anything work pretty well. The price difference is about $1000 and the sound difference is mostly negligible...

+1 For most of the really accomplished players I've heard, I'll use Peter Washington, Christian Mc Bride, Ray Huskey Jr., and Drew Kress as some examples I've seen live, it's the player and his/her instrument that make the sound. Bassists at that level aren't all that into gear. Larry Grenadier does have a specific setup, but it's all about his playing into a Schoeps mic.

Seriously the louder you go the less it matters. Any situation where you need your bass to be louder than acoustic that doesn't have PA support is gonna be a compromise. The subtleties of DB are lost as the volume goes up and no amount of amp will bring 'em back. Drums especially will destroy those artifacts and overtones. The rest is up to you as a player to make it compelling enough for people to listen to...

This is certainly true with the Realist pickup. If you push it past a reasonable volume, it just sounds terrible. No amount of EQ will fix that IMHO. I've had very good luck on my bass with the new Ehrlund Pre Amp and Pickup. But the pickup thing just isn't a one size fits all situation, as you well know. It just happens to work great on my bass with my amp.

1st choice is always acoustic
2nd is a close mic (or the pickup/DI) to a PA
3rd is a justifiable (fidelity/price/weight/etc.) amount of amp to get the job done.


I think this is very bass dependent. As an example, my smallish Mirecourt DB (5/8 size) sounds great, but it isn't going to hold court even in a quiet duo setting. Since it amplifies well, that's the path I have to follow. Having used a Walter Woods for 28 years or so, I'm able to get a reasonable facsimile of the sound the bass creates on own.
When I'm doing college concerts in theaters the P.A.'s the thing. In clubs, most of the time there isn't a P.A. or the setups all wrong for D.B. You're absolutely on target about trying to drive the sound off the stage with a "supper amp" though, it's never worked for me personally.


I would suggest a preamp that fits well with your pick up that you can learn to use in any situation, then the amplification will matter less and you can use any back line or your own small combo. YMMV, FWIW, etc.
-Jeff

+1 if you are playing on the level where there is always P.A. support that's a very good way to go. I've kept my Headway EDB-1 (even though I don't use it all that often, for just that purpose.

Ric
 
...I think this is very bass dependent. As an example, my smallish Mirecourt DB (5/8 size) sounds great, but it isn't going to hold court even in a quiet duo setting. Since it amplifies well, that's the path I have to follow. Having used a Walter Woods for 28 years or so, I'm able to get a reasonable facsimile of the sound the bass creates on own.
When I'm doing college concerts in theaters the P.A.'s the thing. In clubs, most of the time there isn't a P.A. or the setups all wrong for D.B. You're absolutely on target about trying to drive the sound off the stage with a "supper amp" though, it's never worked for me personally...Ric

Agreed! I really think this is the most important part of personal sound reinforcement- Knowing your bass, finding a reliable way to amplify it under most circumstances with a sound that you can live with and then letting it go and just playing. I've never found a suitable sound from the bandstand that is above cocktail volume either BUT I have heard it from others and sometimes with a really loud and recognizable DB sound.
-J
 
I've tried hard for years to not use an amp. The latest experiment was the QSC with a Headway and an AMT which I thought sounded amazing by itself but was less so as the band got louder. At this point I think the amp/mic-to-house is the way to go. Even in a small club the added mic presence in the mains really gave me the whole bass sound. Set up time is also key. I find I really have to work with it to find the balance so I'm going to start showing up early to dial in, before the band arrives. I'm going to pick up the MB210 today and gig with it tonight. Eventually I'll add a 15" can for that big stage sound and then tailor my amp needs if necessary. This seems versatile enough for what I've got in the next six months. Acceptance is a big part of this for me. No, it's not the beautiful sound of my totally acoustic bass, but the band can hear me, react to what I'm playing and I'm getting my music across. Priorities.
 
I played the amp tonight and I have to say it was a complete pleasure. It really didn't have that much of an amp sound. After messing with the AMT for years and then the QSC k10 I found that I lost sound artifacts no matter what when things got loud. Even with just the Gage pick up my bad sounded pretty much like my bass and it was incredibly consistent up the neck, something I couldn't ever get with just a mic. I felt, ultimately, more in control of my sound and nuance. It is a little large but it's lightweight. I'm very happy with the GK. success!