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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

I did not chime in here as I am sure your experience is valid. I was an early adopter with the original 48. I have owned 6 or 8 of his cabs and still have 4. No fails for me. But as a guy who had both A---g solid state heads fail I know other people would tell me I was wrong. My experience does not negate yours, and I hope you find your happy place. Customer service is a major element in all our gear choices. Musicman Ernie Ball and Orange and Genz have been great for me, but that means nothing to you. I trust Mesa and Agedhorse but your particular experience with MAS is yours and will experience your choices going forward. My experience so far is I never need to buy another cab, (so far) LOL
 
My experience so far is I never need to buy another cab, (so far) LOL
No matter how many times Mike designs and builds a new one that "blows the previous ones away" :D :D
 
My MA109 was perfect while in my hands. By far the best upright cab I ever had. Sold to fund the B28 which had a sneaky 8 inch driver issue (cone leak) which I did my best with Mike to diagnose. Eventually shipped back to Mike and he found and fixed. Yes, I took a long time to complete the fix. I understand Mike’s business and accepted the turn around period. It’s been great since, but I did purchase two 8 inch drivers as an insurance policy for the future.
 
My MA109 was perfect while in my hands. By far the best upright cab I ever had. Sold to fund the B28 which had a sneaky 8 inch driver issue (cone leak) which I did my best with Mike to diagnose. Eventually shipped back to Mike and he found and fixed. Yes, I took a long time to complete the fix. I understand Mike’s business and accepted the turn around period. It’s been great since, but I did purchase two 8 inch drivers as an insurance policy for the future.
Where'd you get the drivers, through Mike? How much were they?
 
If anyone is interested I’m going to be selling a MAS 112. It’s an amazing cab in every way. I use it with a Mesa D800+. I’m playing drums way more now again and want to down size to a small combo for when I do practice; because that’s all I do when I play. Shoot me a message if interested.
Which version of the MAS 112?
 
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They will never be complete, several of them will hit the field and be returned with malfunctions if lucky enough to get responses from Mike at all, with profuse apologies and promises on how he will fix them well simultaneously making other posts about how his new designs blow them away
Honestly, this is a fairly accurate albeit cynical way to describe Mike. It's a shame too because he does make some excellent cabs. A lot of people think his MVW technology from BigE is the best in the business. If Mike would be willing to hire a small business consultant part-time, he would probably have a thriving company. Mike is a great cab builder, but not a great businessman - and I believe he freely admits this. I guess I just don't know why he wouldn't want some help on the business end so that he would be able to get his stellar cabs in the hands of more bassists who would appreciate them. For example, his website hasn't been updated in years, he's been kicked off of TB, and he now sporadically posts on his FB page about updates to the MAS45 cab range. This is less than ideal for a business model...
 
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Honestly, this is a fairly accurate albeit cynical way to describe Mike. It's a shame too because he does make some excellent cabs. A lot of people think his MVW technology from BigE is the best in the business. If Mike would be willing to hire a small business consultant part-time, he would probably have a thriving company. Mike is a great cab builder, but not a great businessman - and I believe he freely admits this. I guess I just don't know why he wouldn't want some help on the business end so that he would be able to get his stellar cabs in the hands of more bassists who would appreciate them. For example, his website hasn't been updated in years, he's been kicked off of TB, and he now sporadically posts on his FB page about updates to the MAS45 cab range. This is less than ideal for a business model...
from what i understand, his business partners get sick of the nonsense too...
 
I just received my MAS46.5 (cross firing, not the tower as I am a P-bass with flats guy and Mike said that although it lacks the extreme clarity of the tower, the cross firing is a better gigging cab for my sound) and MAS1200 amp last night and below are my initial thoughts I sent to Mike. It took 2 months longer than expected to arrive, but I don't mind (no gigs affected...), otherwise his customer service was great. I'm guessing it took longer because he had just created the MAS1200 and was finalizing the design, waiting on parts, tweaking the 46.5, COVID & holidays are complicating everyone's life differently, etc. I would rather wait the two months for him to work out the kinks.


Amp came last night, wow! Super strong and tight, the least note overhang I've ever heard. Ghost notes ala Rocco punch like nothing I've heard before. I had it maxed out volume wise and it didn't seem that loud, but I was pretty disoriented after 10-15 minutes of playing in my 150 square foot cabin. I had to step outside to get some fresh air.

It sounded thin when I was playing music through it, but then I realized I had the low end EQ'ed down since my desktop speakers are way overblown in the bass. Flattened out the EQ and again, wow. Sounds fantastic with music too!



Do other folks have similar experiences where it doesn't seem that loud in a small room, but still fills a stage? I am back making music after life forced a few year hiatus, so my gig volume vs. home volume metric is a bit off...
 
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I just received my MAS46.5 (cross firing, not the tower as I am a P-bass with flats guy and Mike said that although it lacks the extreme clarity of the tower, the cross firing is a better gigging cab for my sound) and MAS1200 amp last night and below is my initial thoughts I sent to Mike. It took 2 months longer than expected to arrive, but I don't mind (no gigs affected...), otherwise his customer service was great. I'm guessing to took longer because he had just created the MAS1200 and was finalizing the design, waiting on parts, tweaking the 46.5, COVID & holidays is complicating everyone's life differently, etc. I would rather wait the two months for him to work out the kinks.


Amp came last night, wow! Super strong and tight, the least note overhang I've ever heard. Ghost notes ala Rocco punch like nothing I've heard before. I had it maxed out volume wise and it didn't seem that loud, but I was pretty disoriented after 10-15 minutes of playing in my 150 square foot cabin. I had to step outside to get some fresh air.

It sounded thin when I was playing music through it, but then I realized I had the low end EQ'ed down since my desktop speakers are way overblown in the bass. Flattened out the EQ and again, wow. Sounds fantastic with music too!



Do other folks have similar experiences where it doesn't seem that loud in a small room, but still fills a stage? I am back making music after life forced a few year hiatus, so my gig volume vs. home volume metric is a bit off...

I have this experience regularly with all my gear. I was just telling this to someone yesterday, while rehearsing with a trio in an acoustically treated small room. My amp volume was WAY louder than it would be on a stage or in a large room, to keep up with the band. It’s a weird phenomenon.
 
Thanks Jake. Last night was super weird. The amp was rattling my kitchen plates (one room cabin), but it didn't seem like I was really pushing the volume even though I had it just below fart out. On the one hand, I was a little concerned, on the other, grinning from disorientation. I believe Mike would call the latter success.
 
Thanks Jake. Last night was super weird. The amp was rattling my kitchen plates (one room cabin), but it didn't seem like I was really pushing the volume even though I had it just below fart out. On the one hand, I was a little concerned, on the other, grinning from disorientation. I believe Mike would call the latter success.

I remember distinctly clipping my CA9 into an El Whappo in a band rehearsal room a while back in a funk rock band with 2 loud guitarists and I still had a hard time hearing myself. Same rig, on stage (in a bar with no FOH) with that band at about 1/2 volume was pinning my ears back. I'm sure theres a technical explanation for that, but its counterintuitive to me.
 
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I remember distinctly clipping my CA9 into an El Whappo in a band rehearsal room a while back in a funk rock band with 2 loud guitarists and I still had a hard time hearing myself. Same rig, on stage (in a bar with no FOH) with that band at about 1/2 volume was pinning my ears back. I'm sure theres a technical explanation for that, but its counterintuitive to me.
Hopefully not going over your head on the technical details here, Jake, but the precise explanation is "Life sure is weird sometimes..."
:D :D
 
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The MAS cabs, in general, don't tend to distort much -- they also stay more dynamic than most cabs, up near the top of their range. Compression and other kinds of distortion, even if subtle, are "I'm getting loud" cues that might not be present as much.

There's that and the fact that you're not playing "in context" with other players/sound sources as reference -- regardless of cab, I find that that makes a difference in how we perceive volume. (Corollary: Be careful with your ears pushing a loud rig at home.)

Two more things:

  1. I don't know how big your cabin is [EDIT: 150 sq ft -- not too big], but if you've got too much cab for the space, you can "overpressurize" it (at least that's the term I've seen used) and things will start to sound and feel compressed without getting louder (if you back off and things clear up, that's one sign that this might be happening -- extreme plate-rattling could be another ;)). The MAS cabs seem more prone to this in small-for-the-cab spaces than most other cabs (though they are -- and I can vouch for this from experience -- less prone to exciting specific room resonances or getting "sucked out" in nulls). Of course, with a 1200 Watt amp (guessing your cab is 8 Ohms, though, so less than that?), you'll want to be careful of overpowering the cab (which could also result in things feeling compressed/not getting louder as you turn up), but I'll trust to your good judgment on that (and maybe you're not experiencing any of this, anyway).
  2. Due to the way the sound drops off less with distance (at least within a certain radius -- this is discussed way back in these threads) and to some of the other effects of how these cabs work, you need less volume on stage to carry a room. I also find myself less reliant on stage monitors (and prefer not to be in them for the most part) and find that the mix on stage is generally more clear.

But, yeah, regardless of rig, it is possible to be a good deal louder, playing solo, than you realize, particularly if your rig is staying pretty clean and dynamic on the way up.

Live, things, as you know, can be weird -- sometimes you need less rig/power/volume than you think, sometimes more. Having had an older model, less potent 46 than yours, though, I'll say that if I was pushing it at home alone, I'd definitely want hearing protection in.

Since you're in a cabin and you mentioned playing music through the cab, try this: Put some music on at different volumes and go for a walk outside, around your cabin and some ways away. Maybe try it with your desktop speakers, too, at what seems a comparable volume/EQ when you're in the room. Report back on what you hear, please, and enjoy! ;)