Blacks in Libya Update

[Dr. Cheese]

Certainly true...

...and part of that resentment against black Africans was due to them killing off large numbers of Libyans at the behest of Qaddaffi.

Oh, no doubt folks are getting punished on any pretext... mobs sadly go that way.

As someone who has worked in that part of the world, the issues are much deeper than Qaddaffi. Heck, Qaddaffi himself worked against some black governments by supporting Tuareg rebels in places like Mali. It is said that Tuaregs have helped Qaddafi's people get to Niger recently.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Yeah, I know that there's been a concern in UK, but I didn't know about Italy. But it makes sense. Once you're in the EU, you're free to roam the EU.

Look at a map, Italy is almost next door to Libya.

 

[onosson]

Look at a map, Italy is almost next door to Libya.

Italian Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tituscrow]

^indeed. Rome closer to Tripoli than to London.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Italian Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks, the colonial link is another reason why Libyans tend to go to Italy.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

Look at a map, Italy is almost next door to Libya.

Yeah, I know the geography. I just didn't following the story as early as you.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Yeah, I know the geography. I just didn't following the story as early as you.

I was not implying any ignorance on your part.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

For some perspective, I was preparing tomorrow's lecture and I saw that during the Old Kingdom, the Egyptians had Nubian mercenaries. Egypt was also ruled by Nubians during the 26th Dynasty. Similarly Ghana struggled with the Almoravids and Songhay fought Morocco. Fighting and power struggles based in ethnicity are quite ancient along the Sahara.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

I was not implying any ignorance on your part.

I know. I wonder how they're going to determine who the mercenaries are? It's going to be a difficult process, because if they're too liberal, it could fuel a quick coup or revolt, if they're too strict, then it could also create similar problems. That's with any racial prejudice aside. You throw cultural racial biases into the mix, and you've got a very ugly situation here. Crossing my fingers this works out.

 

[Tituscrow]

For some perspective, I was preparing tomorrow's lecture and I saw that during the Old Kingdom, the Egyptians had Nubian mercenaries. Egypt was also ruled by Nubians during the 26th Dynasty. Similarly Ghana struggled with the Almoravids and Songhay fought Morocco. Fighting and power struggles based in ethnicity are quite ancient along the Sahara.

Of course they are. These tribes existed long before we decided to draw lines on maps.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Of course they are. These tribes existed long before we decided to draw lines on maps.

I really think the term tribe is inaccurate when referring to African people in most cases. Arabs have true tribes based on familial ties. African groups like Wolofs or Tuaregs are really ethnicities or even nationalities since they are distinguished by language and culture, not blood ties.

 

[MJ5150]

This is all over my head and far more complicated that I initially thought. But I am glad to see Dr. Cheese back with us dropping some knowledge on the TBOT crowd.

-Mike

 

[Dr. Cheese]

This is all over my head and far more complicated that I initially thought. But I am glad to see Dr. Cheese back with us dropping some knowledge on the TBOT crowd.

-Mike

I deserved to be banned. I let myself respond inappropriately, and said things I knew were against the rules.

I am just happy talk about an important humanitarian issue in Africa.

 

[Relic]

This is all over my head and far more complicated that I initially thought. But I am glad to see Dr. Cheese back with us dropping some knowledge on the TBOT crowd.

-Mike

yep, +1

 

[Tituscrow]

I really think the term tribe is inaccurate when referring to African people in most cases. Arabs have true tribes based on familial ties. African groups like Wolofs or Tuaregs are really ethnicities or even nationalities since they are distinguished by language and culture, not blood ties.

Schooled again

What I meant was that 'groups' of North Africans (based on the criteria you mentioned), predate the borders of 'modern' North Africa we see on maps today. Which I suppose is true of pretty much any large continent.

Your students are fortunate to have such a clued-up teacher.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Schooled again

What I meant was that 'groups' of North Africans (based on the criteria you mentioned), predate the borders of 'modern' North Africa we see on maps today. Which I suppose is true of pretty much any large continent.

Your students are fortunate to have such a clued-up teacher.

Thanks, I just like to share what I have learned, and I hope I do not come off as a showoff or know-it-all.

 

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

I deserved to be banned. I let myself respond inappropriately, and said things I knew were against the rules.

I am just happy talk about an important humanitarian issue in Africa.

I'm glad you're back, good Doctor.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

I'm glad you're back, good Doctor.

As am I. Wasn't around for the original thread.

 

[MIJ-VI]

Some additional background on two events which Libya was implicated in years ago:

A documentary on the 1984 shooting of WPC Yvonne Joyce Fletcher (1959–17 April 1984 R.I.P.) outside of the Libyan embassy in London

Google:

Murder in St James’s : Indybay

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The 1988 destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland

Google:

Scotsman.com News – Top Stories – Police chief- Lockerbie evidence was faked

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A recent video in which a young lady describes some aspects of social justice for citizens of Tripoli under Gaddafi:

Sara ber Gaddafi und Libyen Video - Die Wahrheit über den Staat Libyen unter Gaddafi - YouTube

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For an eye-opening study in contrasting perceptions of how life in Libya changed after Gaddafi took over, Google...

The truth about Libya

...and check out several links and videos.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Some additional background on two events which Libya was implicated in years ago:

A documentary on the 1984 shooting of WPC Yvonne Joyce Fletcher (1959–17 April 1984 R.I.P.) outside of the Libyan embassy in London

Google:

Murder in St James’s : Indybay

--

The 1988 destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland

Google:

Scotsman.com News – Top Stories – Police chief- Lockerbie evidence was faked

--

A recent video in which a young lady describes some aspects of social justice for citizens of Tripoli under Gaddafi:

Sara ber Gaddafi und Libyen Video - Die Wahrheit über den Staat Libyen unter Gaddafi - YouTube

--

For an eye-opening study in contrasting perceptions of how life in Libya changed after Gaddafi took over, Google...

The truth about Libya

...and check out several links and videos.

I don't want to comment on most of this because it is too political. I will just say that I can believe the woman who has a positive impression of Qaddaffi. Although he was quite brutal to his enemies, no one stays around for 42 year without delivering the goods one way or another. If he made no one happy at all, he would have been gone long ago.

That is not a defense of Qaddaffi, it is just a fact that any government has to offer something other than brute force or it cannot survive.