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Boss GT-10B

#281
gastric said:
Some questions:

  • Q1. I can't quite get a grasp for this in the manual. Is it possible to use more than TWO of the FX1/FX2 effects simultaneously? It's not clear if the dual chains would allow you to effectively have four effects going. For example: octave, slow gear, synth, tremolo.
  • Q4: how are the compressor/limiter artifacts? I currently have a Rane DC24 which I love. I've only briefly tried the GT-6B compressor/limiter and at least on whatever model I chose (no idea which one, havn't tried it again) it had a nasty, clearly audible click when it reached threshold (or something).
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  • A1: I have mentioned it before as a warning: there are two chains but only one set of effects. This means you're stuck with ONLY TWO FX sections (as well as only one preamp, one OD/DS section, etc...), hence you can use only two effects at once from the FX section, regardless of their position in the chains. The simultaneous combination of octave, slow gear, synth and tremolo is not possible.
    There is a typing error/mistake in the manual at the description of the preamp section that can mislead you to the belief that you can use different settings of preamps on the two chains. This, however, is NOT possible.
  • A4: I get similar artifacts on the ME-6B. However, the GT-10B doesn't seem to have that problem. I have to mention though that there are various types of compressors, and I use only one most of the time (the simulation of the dbx160), and my experiences with the GT-10B's compressor are mainly based on that particular simulation.

:bassist:
 
#283
And this conversation probably ends my interest in a GT-10B. I like everything about the BOSS multi-effect floorboards EXCEPT the restriction of just TWO of the FX1/FX2 effects. And the fact that the synth keeps getting more and more crippled.

In contrast I have a BOSS VF-1 rack unit from the 90's that has a TON of additional and awesome synth features to provide some serious control such as:
  • Chromatic - restricts the synth to semitones, no bends, etc.
  • Separate filter sensitivity, decay, depth
  • Seperate attack decay and release
  • Velocity control to set it to play along with guitar volume, always max velocity, or anywhere in between

The downside is kind of similar to the floorboard units in that there's a ton of other awesome effects such as lofi, pitch shifter, rotaries, spacial effects, lots of great stuff but you can't pick and choose which you want to use whenever you want, there's various restrictions. For example, though the synth has tons of features including -1/-2 octaver you cannot use the synth with anything other than compressor/wah/eq/preamp/chorus/delay/reverb simultaneously. So no synth and slicer (which the VF-1 has), no synth and ring modulator, etc. And if you want to use it's lowfi processor you can't get jack diddly other than EQ and noise suppressor. Very limiting in those regards.

I'm sure the restrictions in general are mostly DSP related as opposed to some project manager making arbitrary restrictions such as "Hahaha, who would ever use all these effects at the same time!? They don't need more than two." The DSPs in these things probably cannot do verb, pitch shifting, synth, multi-tap delay, stereo chorus, etc. etc. all at the same time. Though considering advances in processors I don't know why.

I think what I really need is a small rack of multi-effects and a programmable MIDI foot controller with complicated multi-channel, multi-program change presets to simultaneously control a whole rack of goodies.

Or if the BOSS floorboard products could be programmed to send external program changes I could use it's internal features and control one or more outboard MIDI devices. I'm a MIDI noob when it comes to using more than one device at a time so I'll have to read up on how that is implemented. The manuals seem to deal more with external devices sending the floorboard MIDI program changes and CC# data as opposed to the floorboard transmitting.
 
#284
I hope I don´t offend you gastric, but it almost seems that you´re on the verge of becoming a keyboardplayer? I also like a lot of the things/features you mention, but at the end of the day I always think to myself why should I do all those things when there´s a keyboardplayer in the band?
 
#285
I'm not offended. :) But I do I always find that a very presumptuous statement. "If you want synth sounds play keyboard" Who's to say what I can or cannot do with my instrument?

BTW I'm not harping on the synth specifically, though I always find it mind boggling that gear from 12 years ago have MORE features than current products. It was the same with my Alesis Trigger IO edrum module. The ancient Alesis D4 had some great hihat pedal features that the Trigger IO didn't. And it was 16 years old. It just doesn't make sense to me that time passes, physical equipment improves in cost and processing power, yet features often decrease.

My main complaint about the GT-10B is the same against the current GT-6B that I own - I'm restricted to just TWO oh-so-special effects. You can't do octave, phase, and tremolo at the same time. Or slow gear, flanger, slicer? Or any other myriad of potentially fun and useful combinations. Why not?
 
#286
The synth effect on the GT-10 (gat version) still has the extra features from previous generations.
I think what you are really after is an Axe-FX by Fractal, if you want unlimited effects combinations, or a Roland VB-99.

The GT-10B is a really good bit of kit, way much better than the GT-6B in every aspect, except for the reduced synth options (but improved note tracking).
It's going to come down to how much you are prepared to pay for features. I think the GT-10B does a fantastic job for the price.
 
#287
Secracon said:
You can set the ctl3/4 or exp2 under the "assign" section.
:bassist:
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Yes, but here's the problem:

Right now I have EXP2 set to "FX-2:Sub-wah" and "FX-2:on/off" (for 'switchless' operation) thru the assigns section.

EXP1 is set to "Delay:Feedback" and "Delay:on/off" thru another 2.

In manual mode I have switch 1 set to PDL:on/off. I currently have EXP1 set to pedal bend which is set for 1 octave up on both min and max.

What I'd love to do is set the EXP2 to the PDL:WAH function assign the PDL:on/off to EXP2 as well, thereby clearing up FX-2 for the octave up effect that can do 2 pitches.

Unfortunately I can get the wah effect on EXP2, but only by assigning it as a default for all patches to EXP2, or assigning it to EXP1 within the patch.

The problem with the first is that if I want to use EXP2 for something other than a wah in any other patches I cannot re-assign it from "wah" in that patch, or I would have to avoid using the PDL effects modual.

The problem with the 2nd is that when I use EXP1 for delay/loop jammin' I cannot use the wah, since moving EXP1 do peel off the old delays a little would change the wah position as well, preventing me from setting it in a solid position to get a midboost parked wah sound.

Quick EDIT: Oh, and I've found that I HAVE to assign the wah to EXP1 thru the ctl1/2/expsw/exp1 screen. If I just use the 8 assign section to set the wah to exp2, the effect isn't applied even if its "on".
 
#288
@ Nyarlathotep:
There are a few point at which your post is not very clear to me (my bad, English is not native to me), but nevertheless, I think your problems can be solved.

I don't have the unit by me right now, so what I'm about to say are just some preliminal theories, and you'll have to wait a couple of hours 'till I give you a proper answer. However, the first things that come to my mind right now are suggesting you that you don't use the sub-wah, but the custom wah instead, and in that way you can save an FX module, that you can use for the octave effect. Further more: if you're using tha wah in a fixed position, then you can also use assign it to the internal pedal and set it to a fixed position. This way you save an actual EXP pedal.

Anyway, I'll post another reply soon. Hopefully I'll come up with a practical, functional solution for you.

Cheerz!
 
#289
Okay, here I am, next to the GT-10B. I went through your description with it. It is an interesting and useful observation that the EXP2 cannot be assigned to be the patch's wah controller without assigning the EXP1 also to the same role. :rollno: I haven't noticed that so far. thank you. :)
My solution would be to use the EXP1 for the wah and the EXP2 for the delay stuff.

Cheerz! :bassist:
 
#290
Secracon said:
My solution would be to use the EXP1 for the wah and the EXP2 for the delay stuff.

Cheerz! :bassist:
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Ya. But I like the FV500 better for wah stuff. Its more of a feel thing that anything else.

I might just assign "PDL:WAH" to exp2 via the system, since thats mostly what I use exp2 for anyways.

The only problem I see is if I want to use the pedal bend instead, but I guess I'll cross that path when I get to it. Maybe use the assigns to control the FX1/2 octave module.

2 harmonized pitch bends ftw?
 
#292
There is only the one jack for either an EXP#2 or the 2 switches for CTL3/4. Since im an avid expression guy (exp controlled delay repeats, pedal wah) I have an EXP connected. Im actually gonna have a volume pedal in the FX loop too :D

As for the "custom" wahs: TBH the sub wah has literally 6 wah models. Im liking the "light wah" right now LOL. But really, thats like 6 different Q and widths of wahs, and since you can basically set the range of them in the assign sections min/max #s, I feel its pretty custom as it is.

Strange I like the wah "with no distictive characteristics".....
 
#294
Thanks jumbo :D Unfortunately I've discovered that lame adds some bubbly cpu noise to the recordings.
Im gonna try and find something that can convert ogg->mp3 since audacity->ogg=no noise, and hope that ogg->mp3 also =no noise.

Im still deciding on the best of the GTs OD/DSs to use to blend with my other distortions, kinda like a 3rd channel/2nd level of gain type deal, but I've definitely got the GT 95% set up. Since changing the delay type with the CTL pedals causes the delay to "reset" I've switched the 2 to change the modulation type set to FX-1.

The cool part is that I can set each of the flanger, step phase and trem totally different, and the settings hold for each even when changing on the fly. As an example I can have the flanger and phase rate set to whole note BPM and the trem stet to quarter note.

I mostly just use it in manual mode and have 2 patches set up, one for fwd delay and one for rev. I basically have the 4 # switches set to different FX like chorus, the pitch shift/octave up, the 3rd chan distortion and the modulation. The bank ones are BPM and tuner/mute.

Also, after some more messing around I find that the 1 oct up blended with some dry signal is all I really need for a chording type sound. Otherwise it muddies up to much with the high gain fuzz stuff I have on the outboard. Basically I've decided that the wah/pitch setup I have going on with the GT works in my case and Im just gonna quit worrying about one little constraint amongst a system that has very few, or at least WAY less than Im used to on a multi :D
 
#296
Bumping this just to say one thing:

IMHO The OD/DS section is pretty lackluster even for finding one to mix in a little with my outboard fuzzes :(

Not that I didn't expect that. Cus I did ;) I tried tho :D

Even tried the preamp section, but it seems that the Direct signal is not the signal inputting the module (like every other module), but is the no cab/mic signal. You can then blend that with the cab/mic signal and a little more bass if you want. Interesting, but not quite what I expected LOL :D

Oh well, when I get an EQish pedal to put in my outboard stuff I'll have 8 fuzz sounds and 2 bubbly synth ones. In theory. Think thats enough? :p
 
#297
I really dont see reasoning for all of the complaining about this unit. I have used the gt-6b for 4 years. I purchsaed this unit last week and even a handful of the presets are actually usable to some degree. which says a lot about the work put into this.

I have been playing bass for nearly 30 years. I know my sound. I have , what I consider, great ears...and these complaints about the synths and od/drives are ridiculous. all you have to do is work with the unit. the synths beat out the ones on the 6B by a mile. if you can't see that then I am not sure if we are on the same planet.
seriously, stop nit picking about the routing options and additional pedal controlling and use the unit.
 
#298
miser42 said:
I really dont see reasoning for all of the complaining about this unit.
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Not sure if any of that post was directed at me, but I must say Im not so much complaining as just making observations.

Some things on the unit just aren't for me (like the OD/DS's), but thats the essence of "YMMV". Personally I love the unit, and for what I want it to do, there is nothing else on the market that comes close IMHO/E unless I want to spend thousands of dollars.

Well worth the money IMHO.
 
#300
miser42 said:
I have been playing bass for nearly 30 years. I know my sound. I have , what I consider, great ears...and these complaints about the synths and od/drives are ridiculous. all you have to do is work with the unit. the synths beat out the ones on the 6B by a mile. if you can't see that then I am not sure if we are on the same planet.
seriously, stop nit picking about the routing options and additional pedal controlling and use the unit.
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I don't see the point of insulting people for having their own opinion that happens to be different from yours. From my point of view the ME-6B's synth is light-years ahead of the GT-10B's synths, but I did not call anyone "out of the planet", nor anything else for thinking otherwise. Further more, I have gave an argument on every point I consider a con for this unit, I have even posted sound samples. I think that is far more productive than your attitude, which is basically not very far from simply being arrogant with no shown reason.

From your post I have learned that you play for more than 30 years, still consider your hearing excellent, and consider most of us here aliens, lazybags, or whatever. What I have NOT learned from your post is what are the particular things that make the synths on the GT-10B so much better than the ME-6B sound-wise, nor any particular reason or explanation for your opinion which happens to differ on quite a few points of the opinions of most of us. An explanation would be much more productive, helpful, than a bunch of insults. A man of your experience can surely share some of his knowledge not only his hatred or despise.
And on the other hand, how can you be sure that you're the most experienced here, and that your opinion is the most relevant one?

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no hard feelings, just am a bit surprised with the lack of reason and explanation behind your insults.

You did not convince me to change my opinion regarding the crappy synths of the GT-10B. Perhaps if you gave a good argument, or a hint on how to set it...

Cheerz! :):bassist:

ps.
Once again sorry for the bad English, I believe I was understandable though... :)
 

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