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BOUTIQUE PRE-AMPS i.e. DEMETER, ETC. ?????????

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OK - I've been playing Trace Elliot all of my life. I just saw and heard a DEMETER pre-amp with a CROWM power amp for the first time.

I was BLOWN AWAY ! It (the overall sound) was crystal clear, and true without any "brand filtering".

The DEMETER amplified the true sound of the wood, pickups, and my hands.

Have I opened a pandora's box ?? I am now aware of these boutique pre-amps that I never new exhisted before. I am now considering a similiar rig from the same guy who showed me the light. It's a SANSAMP rack pre-amp witha CREST power amp.

Was ignorance bliss, or am I destined to move up with the REALLY big boys ???

OPINIONS ???? - mike :bassist:
 
so wait a second... you were blown away by "crystal clear, and true without any "brand filtering" tone... and now youre planning to go with a sansamp rack pre? wouldn't that be the farthest from "crystal clear, and true without any "brand filtering" you can get with a rack preamp?
 
so wait a second... you were blown away by "crystal clear, and true without any "brand filtering" tone... and now youre planning to go with a sansamp rack pre? wouldn't that be the farthest from "crystal clear, and true without any "brand filtering" you can get with a rack preamp?

+1

not a good move.

if you want crystal clear, transparent on a the cheap, check out the ISP Tech Beta Bass preamp.

but if you're asking for boutique stuff, the demeter is it. have the dough? get it. dont have the dough? then save up for it. you'd just be wasting your money trying to get to the sound you already know how to get.
 
I'm sorry - I was unclear, a little. I the guy who has the DEMETER/CROWN has a SANSAMP/CREST that he would trade me for my TRACE ELLIOT AH250SMX. I am curious to hear it, BUT I love the DEMETER tone.​
so wait a second... you were blown away by "crystal clear, and true without any "brand filtering" tone... and now youre planning to go with a sansamp rack pre? wouldn't that be the farthest from "crystal clear, and true without any "brand filtering" you can get with a rack preamp?
 
DAMN - That's what I thought !! I see there are DEMETERs going for around $500 here on TB. Seems like a GREAT investment, and a pretty good deal. I am unemployed right now, but the search for tone is overwhelming... Maybe I'll find a 12 step group for GAS !!! :rolleyes:.​
Haha, prepare for GAS.
 
+1

not a good move.

if you want crystal clear, transparent on a the cheap, check out the ISP Tech Beta Bass preamp.

but if you're asking for boutique stuff, the demeter is it. have the dough? get it. dont have the dough? then save up for it. you'd just be wasting your money trying to get to the sound you already know how to get.

+1 on the ISP. I do also recommend you check out the sansamp with a good power amp first before writing it off. Often times good tone is as much about power amp performance and output as it is about the preamp!
 
DAMN - That's what I thought !! I see there are DEMETERs going for around $500 here on TB. Seems like a GREAT investment, and a pretty good deal. I am unemployed right now, but the search for tone is overwhelming... Maybe I'll find a 12 step group for GAS !!! :rolleyes:.​

The recommendations for ISP, etc. - if you were blown away by the Demeter and the Crown, you should probably look for that rig. Used Demeter VTBP-201's are here on the classifieds fairly regularly - that preamp paired with a good, clean power amp is a "signature" rig, suitable for any pro's use, for affordable cash. I myself gigged for years with this rig (Demeter + QSC PLX), and I still own that setup. GREAT sound with more headroom than I'll ever need. I currently use a T-funk setup for weight and loadin/loudout as much as anything else; however, I would gladly play through the Demeter/PLX rig any night of the week. It's an amazing rig for any bassist, and my old 201 1.5 space Blackface Demeter is going absolutely nowhere.

Jay
 
I ran a Demeter and Crown setup for a bit. It was very clear. The issue for me was the limited range of the tone controls. I think of the Demeter (201) as one of the worlds best DI's ... great unless you also want a pre that can tone sculpt. If not, carry on.

If you want to try something quite akin to the Demeter, but on a budget, there is a used ART Tube Channel mic pre in the GFS for $150. You can get really, really close to the 201 with that thing. Sexy it is not but it is a really good sounding and clear pre with some cool features.
 
+1



but if you're asking for boutique stuff, the demeter is it. have the dough? get it. dont have the dough? then save up for it. you'd just be wasting your money trying to get to the sound you already know how to get.

+1,000,000

Demeter pre-amps are nasty. I often get the pleasure of playing through my buddy's which sits on top of a Berg IP. Yowzers. Makes everything else sound like boop.

I don't know how much they run new, I thought they were reasonable, like 1,000-1,500.

I've heard those Neve Channel strips make a nasty bass pre, but that's a lot of cheddar.
 
I ran a Demeter and Crown setup for a bit. It was very clear. The issue for me was the limited range of the tone controls. I think of the Demeter (201) as one of the worlds best DI's ... great unless you also want a pre that can tone sculpt. If not, carry on.

Of course, some would say that if your bass and cabinet sound good enough significant tone sculpting is not necessary. :eek: Sorry, mate. Your chain was just hangin' out. I had to yank it. ;):D:D

P.S. Seriously, I get what you're sayin'. A happy middle ground could be the Demeter HBP-1 with those semi-parametric bass and mid controls. :)

M. M.
 
Of course, some would say that if your bass and cabinet sound good enough significant tone sculpting is not necessary. :eek: Sorry, mate. Your chain was just hangin' out. I had to yank it. ;):D:D

P.S. Seriously, I get what you're sayin'. A happy middle ground could be the Demeter HBP-1 with those semi-parametric bass and mid controls. :)

M. M.

Yes, well... I actually did kind of expect that as the 201 has a rep of mythic proportions. To a certain extent it should - again - maybe the worlds best DI - I wouldn't necessarily pick an Avalon or RED over one ... and it does have an almost magical 'crystaline' quality to it. ...which disappears when run through external EQ. I tried a few pretty good ones... had the same experience with Alembic. Just seems like they lose a bit of the magic with other outboard gear.

These days I could use one in my recording rack as I EQ and comp using plug's... but for live work where I'm dealing with multiple musical settings, a mix of active and passive basses and sometimes iffy rooms it would be living life on the edge ... truth is that these days I'm headed opposite of our OP. I can get real happy live with a GK 1001 RB II and a stack of Avatar cab's or Bag Ends :eek: or an EA Micro for low volume stuff ... recording I use a passive bass and either a DI or a mic pre and record totally dry... boring as crap to listen to on it's own I grant but it does grant one some flexibility when tracking/mixing and frankly live, I could hardly care as long as it's warm, round, defined and not boomy - pretty much it's going to work for me.

me support guy you dig ? now excuse me whilst I go shave my knuckles on the sidewalk...:D

This was kinda funny with the Demeter. I show up at a gig to sit in with some guys I might be playing with later... the original bassist is there with his rig. It's a bluesy, retro rocky kinda scene. So we swap a couple of long afternoon sets. In the last one, the other guys has the bass chair. So I grab the guitarist's 57 RI Strat, turn the Crown way down, turn the Demeter way the heck up and wail away as rhythm guitarist - through a Music Man HD 212 - the 100 lb, 2x12 with 6" mid / tweet monster cab. That strat never sounded quite like that before or since! Nice rhythm grind from the Demeter - I could definately use that as a track sound. The MM cab was a bit on the heavy side though ... Kinda like Steve Cropper meets KORN ... I got the gig in spite of that ...

If I were going back to pre/pwr setups it would be back to the Eden Navigator and something light. I gigged that pre and a 2402 pretty hard and while I hate all the freaking knobs, the gold, the aircraft landing strip LEDS - the Nav is still the best compromise of live pre's for me - and in the studio - it can be a stunner.
 
In my quest for tone, preamps have turned out to be a really big deal. And can be absolutely maddening.

The maddening part is it almost impossible for most of us to find out what preamp is right any other way than buying them and living with them for a while.
 
If I had that kind of money to spend on a preamp ( a WHOPPING $2,399 ) I would have a life-threatening GAS problem !!!!​
From their website:

VTBP-201S Bass Preamplifier w/ Jensen Transformer $799.00
HBP-1 Bass Preamplifier w/ Parametric EQ $849.00
HBP-1J Bass Preamplifier w/ Parametric EQ & Jensen Transformer $1,049.00

WARNING: Stay away from their Tube Amp or you will be totally spoiled.

WTHF-300M 300 Watt Mono Block Tube Amplifier $2,399.00

http://www.demeteramps.com/