Can someone point me to a video clip where the basses are actually shown through the entire bass variation instead of cutting to the accompanying woodwinds and obligatory tambourine closeup?
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Double Bass Britten YPG
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Then they should have made the video private. That is an option.
True. And they probably shouldn't have made the video in the first place, also. But, that mistake and that bad decision doesn't make it OK for someone else to spread their mistake around.
OK, you probably didn't intend to get someone into trouble, because you simply don't know about how seriously the musicians' union will come down on a union musician for unauthorized recording.
I'm sure the musicians in the video appreciate your interest, but for their sake, please erase the link.
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Relax, friend. You might be right about the union, but sharing a 4-year-old public YouTube link with over 9,000 views is a perfectly normal thing to do. At some point it is the uploader's responsibility to remove the video, and that's only assuming there's a real problem to begin with.
I'm the president of an AFM local. Couldn't give a crap about two knuckleheads making a recording like this, even if, technically, it's not legal. It's not as if they're making bank on it, and how would anyone posting the link know if the video was illicitly made or not?
If it were my orchestra, I might have a word with them, but certainly not going to make a huge issue about it.
If you're concerned, contact the RPO, whoever that is, and tell them of the video. They can force Youtube to remove it.
Maybe the fact that the principal adjusted and activated the camera would indicate who made the video and if he was trying to conceal that fact. Tempest, meet teapot.
I have almost 50 years in AFM, btw.
I'm not sure what your point is. I don't know these players, let alone who is the principal. I wouldn't automatically assume anyone's trying to conceal anything.
There is zero risk in sharing the link. The video being public on Youtube is the problem - if at all. I doubt any Union has the resources to police yt. That is like shutting the barn door after the horse is gone.
Not entirely. We musicians should be vigilant in protecting our intellectual property. If you are recording people without their knowledge or permission, that's improper and possibly illegal, especially if you are somehow monetizing the content. It happens all the time. The question is, where do you draw the line? A minute of two knuckleheads recording the bass section is one thing. An audience member posting a much longer clip of a full piece, taken with their cell phone, is another.
The RPO could be the Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra, based in Rochester, NY. Great orchestra. I don't know the bassists in the pic, so I'm not sure; there's probably a bunch of other "RPOs" across the country.
As far as the legality, union issues, whatever, about the posting of said video....
I used to worry about that kind of thing all of the time. I gig a lot, sometimes with some really fine, household-name players, and sometimes with some very-much "also-ran" groups with the occasional fairly struggling player(s). While I try to play my best in every situation, there's been plenty of times when I wasn't at all happy with my own performance, and did everything I could to prevent audience members (and even friends) from posting stuff. If I wasn't proud of it, I didn't want it out there.
Now, really, there's not much you can do about it. While I still hate being out of control of what parts of my playing are posted, I've come to accept it as a fact of life and just try and play my absolute best regardless of the situation, with the expectation that the whole world will see and hear it (even though, really, they won't...I ain't exactly famous). There's something more healthy about that, at least for me, than fighting all the time about who can tape what.
Now, if folks are MONETIZING my work without my permission, that's different.
Just a comment on Britten’s bass parts.
Robert Meyer, long ago principal of the Vancouver Symphony and Britten’s bassist and librarian for his English Opera Group, had to be careful of what he played warming up around Britten. He found Britten would write into scores what he played, resulting in ‘almost impossible passages’! He also said Britten drove an old Rolls Royce that was always breaking down, while he drove a new reliable Reliant 3 wheel van that kept going. Haha!
Meyer was the boss of two of my bass teachers, I met him around 1972.
Robert Meyer, long ago principal of the Vancouver Symphony and Britten’s bassist and librarian for his English Opera Group, had to be careful of what he played warming up around Britten. He found Britten would write into scores what he played, resulting in ‘almost impossible passages’! He also said Britten drove an old Rolls Royce that was always breaking down, while he drove a new reliable Reliant 3 wheel van that kept going. Haha!
Meyer was the boss of two of my bass teachers, I met him around 1972.
A somewhat related issue that comes up more and more for me is when a concert I've played for is posted online for the purpose of fundraising for a community arts organization. The musician participants are not paid but the arts group makes money. We are not asked if we agree to the posting. It's just assumed, since this practice is so common now. It's considered community service. I'm not really surprised any more when someone tells me they've seen a cellphone video from a casual gig I've done. It's a part of a performing life in whatever context, public or private.
If it's a union gig you should report it to them. If not, you could still get together and insist that the employer stop. Platforms like Youtube will remove content if you make the case that it's illegally posted. Having said that, the musician's union is fairly generous with writing contracts for promotional use, although content is limited in regards to length and where it can be posted. If the content falls within certain parameters, it can often be used for free, depending on the contract.
