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Bstock? opinions please.

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by BirdThunder, Dec 12, 2013.

  1. BirdThunder

    BirdThunder Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    New York
    hey guys, it's me again, so I decided to get me an Epiphone thunderbird classic-IV pro but I can't afford the brand new one ($499+tax+soft gig ba=$550+), can't find one here or craigslist.

    But I saw one for $320 at sam's ash online, but it says b-stock, I googled the term and it says it may have some defects, like cosmetic wear but nothing that affects the playability, but as usual I don't trust the internet, si If you have any experience with bstocks (esp from sam-ash) Can you please share your opinions and help me get my own bird. Thank you!
  2. friskinator

    friskinator Supporting Member

    Apr 5, 2007
    Atlanta, Georgia
    I've bought B-stock basses on a couple occasions, and I've never had any problems. "B-stock" just means there might be a ding, blemish, etc on the instrument that keeps the manufacturer from selling it at full retail price. On the last one I bought, you practically needed a magnifying glass to find the blemish. I'd say go for it.
  3. Gorn


    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
    If you want the bass then go for it. If it's busted or you just don't like it, you can return it to a store.
  4. funnyfingers


    Nov 27, 2005
    I have a factory second Epiphone Thunder Classic Pro-IV. Took a couple weeks to find the blemish. It is a great deal. The headstock will have an indented 2 on it to identify it as a factory second. One thing regarding factory seconds though, my local shop doesn't get the bound Les Pauls that are factory seconds as he is doesn't want to get a blemish near the binding. He has in the past.
  5. BirdThunder

    BirdThunder Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    New York
    I don't mind a ding or blemish, I just can't stand cracks, but if it's pure cosmetic I don't mind, i'm not gonna hang it on the wall, it's gonna be out on the music scene doing it's job. I'm just in a pinch since they did not give a full description of the condition, It's available online at sam-ash, any experience with sam ash guys? I really want a tbird so bad.
  6. funnyfingers


    Nov 27, 2005
  7. BirdThunder

    BirdThunder Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    New York
    Holy sh*t! the stock sounds heavenly! love the warm buttery sound on labellas! POST AWAY MY FRIEND, i'd like to hear more!

    **now i gotta get my bird!
  8. BIGEJ2

    BIGEJ2 Supporting Member

    Jul 29, 2009
    Happy Valley, PA
    I've purchased several basses from Sam Ash and have been satisfied. Customer service is hit or miss. Had one exchange and it was a hassle, made a return and it was great. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.

    The Classic T-Bird IV is a cool bass. Good luck with your purchase!
  9. funnyfingers


    Nov 27, 2005

    I think the ones with SGDs are labeled. There are some tap harmonics with both sets of pickups I think. I can't visit the site at the moment to review them.
  10. Better to buy a B where you can actually see the reason for the classification. I bought a B Epi EB-3 and the flaw was that it was nearly impossible to set up without mega-high action because of a bowed neck. And don't buy a B you can't return... ie. Don't buy from eBay. That was the mistake I made.
  11. funnyfingers


    Nov 27, 2005
    You should have returned it. That is not what a factory second should be. That should have been fully rejected.
  12. BirdThunder

    BirdThunder Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    New York
    I can return it in any sam ash stores that's what they said, but i'd be probably sad to return a tbird, been wanting one for so long, thanks guys, imma try my luck with the bstock!
  13. fisticuffs


    May 3, 2011
    Madison, WI
    Yeah that's not bstock that's defective firewood.

    We do a ton of Bstock. Guitars amps and everything else we sell. Sometimes it comes from the manufacturer that way. They will sell the rep samples, trade show stock, refurb'd returns, or anything else with an open box for whatever reason. They usually grade these by condition. Sometimes they just open the boxes because they have a ton of something and "make" them bstocks. Retailers it's pretty much the same thing. Bstock can be a customer return, a display item, or old inventory.

    Manufacturers treat it differently from one another though with pricing and warranty. not all discounts to the vendor are great, some don't allow any change in advertised price, some set price at a percentage from A stock price, some just don't care what you advertise it for. Some offer full factory warranties, some offer a shorter one. If it doesn't have any warranty it's not Bstock. It's used. I personally buy a lot of it. Since I get a pretty great employee price the only way to save more is to get it cheaper from the vendor. I would only hesitate if you didn't trust the seller, the product, or the warranty. If you don't trust the seller to not send you garbage then don't buy bstock. if you don't think the product is reliable, just buy a fresh one. If the warranty is really short, just spend the money on unopened product.

    Our Bstock is good bstock though for the reasons stated. We are upfront about what it is and we won't treat you any differently than if you bought Astock.

    Here's a quick search for our bstock.
    If anyone ever has a question about any of it just PM me. I should know where it came from.
  14. BirdThunder

    BirdThunder Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    New York
    Thanks man, here's the deal, Epi tbird classic-IV pro is $499+$49 tax(yes new york taxes a lot) for the A-stock, While B-stocks are $320 ($405 if I include the heavy duty gig bag I saw at amazon, no tax if I ship it to Joizey), and they said, If I ship it to NY/FL/CA I can return them to any sam ash store because I have paid the sales tax, problem is Imma be shipping to NJ which doesn't have sales tax, meaning if I have to return it it's gonna be shipped to FL and I have to pay the shipping, I know sam ash got a good rep, what I worry about is if they inspect the guitar carefully before shipping it, like I said,I don't mind a ding here and there cause sooner or later the guitar would be dinged/chipped and whatnot cause it's gonna be out there playing, doing it's job. Thanks for your opinions guys, I'm pretty much sold!
  15. funnyfingers


    Nov 27, 2005
    Get a hard case, not a gig bag. Even though these are very good price, it is a very good instrument, keep it that way.
  16. Bongolation


    Nov 9, 2001
    No Bogus Endorsements
    The definition is meaningless.

    Call Ash and ask what it means to them and if they'll eat return shipping for an exchange if there are substantial problems.

    There may well be. I've read a few beefs about Epiphone B-Stocks before -- stuff not working, etc.

    I once foolishly got a "B-Stock" import Spector once that had literally every CNT rout or hole off-kilter and out of alignment with every other one, by as much as 3/8". It was truly astonishing, a veritable trainwreck.

    "How did they even DO this?" :eek:
  17. Malak the Mad

    Malak the Mad Over the River and through the Looking Glass Supporting Member

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but New Jersey has a 7% sales tax. However, there are ways around various state taxes. It all depends on how you ship something. If you are doing what I think you're doing, buying something from "A" and shipping it to "B" while actually living in "C", that just might allow you dodge them. Either way, if you pay sales tax on an item and then return it to another location, the taxes should be refunded as well. It's the shipping costs you might not get back.

    As far as B-stock goes; if you consider a refurbished item to be in the same category, then I've bought two refurb'd Squier Standards (a Jazz and a P-Bass Special) and I'll be damned if I can find anything wrong with them…electronically, cosmetically or structurally.
  18. BirdThunder

    BirdThunder Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    New York
    Yeah I checked, they are not charging me for the sales tax if I ship in New Jersey, I don't know why, I just called sam ash guitar dept and got em to inspect their bess b stock bass and yep, they're almost mint, except they don't have the plastic covering on their pickguards which is no biggie, Thanks guys! FInally I can get my bird.
  19. 6stringpanda


    Aug 9, 2013

    B-stock is fine-especially form Sam Ash-AMS-Sweetwater-Musicians Friend online

    Stay away from "manufacturer refurbish"-seen this and its usually bad.