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Build Thread: ACG Finn 5 (the Wal killer)

Jared Lash

Jared Lash

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Aug 21, 2006
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#1
While the thread title is somewhat tongue in cheek, I do fully expect that this bass will get Wal tones while being more ergonomically and aesthetically suited for me and at a price less than that of a new or used Wal.

For those that don't know, Alan Cringean is a luthier in Moffat, Scotland who builds some amazing and very forward thinking basses. Check out the ACG website for more info and a full gallery of past instruments and current builds.

I already have one ACG so I know what the build quality and the ACG/East filter preamp (the EQ03 5K) are all about. But when Alan announced the new multicoil pickup option, I decided to order another one immediately. These will be similar to Wal pickups and the hugely flexible preamp will mean being able to dial in Wal tones as well as a plethora of other sounds.

Here's a shot of the new pickup:
I already have one ACG

My bass will be a Finn "R-type" which means Alan's Finn body shape with the lower horn from his "Recurve" shape. Here's a previous bass in this design:

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The specs on mine are:
33" scale
5 strings (tuned E-C)
Walnut body
Tasmanian Myrtle Burl top
Dual veneers (black walnut and maple)
5 piece set neck (maple/wenge/figured maple/wenge/maple)
2 ACG MC5 pickups
ACG/East EQ03 5K preamp
18 mm string spacing at the bridge
Gotoh GB350 Resolite Tuners
Hipshot A style bridge
Oil rubbed satin lacquer finish

The top:
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And bookmatched
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The walnut for the body:
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The fingerboard (the bottom one here):
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And the top and fingerboard together:
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An example of dual veneers:
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I can't recommend Alan's basses highly enough. He's incredibly flexible, great with communication (and just a great guy in general), creates beautiful instruments and more than reasonable prices and most importantly they sound amazing. There's the no frills (but still awesome) Graft line, to the regular custom basses (and he'll do headless, ERBs, fanned frets etc) as well as the new "Uber Spec" line (featuring ALL the bells and whistles he can throw at them) which I can't wait to see.

And for anyone wondering, I do have quite a bit of experience with Wals. I recorded an album using a Mk II years ago and loved the thing. I think they are fantastic basses and when I say I think I'll like my ACG more that is not a slight at ALL, but more a sincere statement of how much I appreciate Alan's work.
 
#2
Just as a side note, while I'm excited about the new multicoil pickups, the other pickup options are also great. The humbuckers on my current ACG are fantastic. Fat, warm and clear with some real punch/aggression when you dig in.
 
#4
Fantastic Jared, I knew this was on the cards obviously, but nice to see it begin :)
I've played the ACG with the very first multi coil pickup and it was amazing, such an open, punchy and even tone across every string and every fret, married to the new ACG Preamp the options available are insane!

I also wholeheartedly agree with all your comments about ACG's, working with Alan and the ACG pickups! I've now got 3 ACGs and will hopefully be starting on a 4th next year, I'm unlikely to want to play anything else now, I've found a very good fit :)

Eude
 
#5
Pj said:
There is some much I like about ACG guitars (never played one), the timbers, the hardware, design of pickups, the EQ, Alan's manner on this forum, he seems a really good guy. All that but the Shapes are just a lil' to out there for me.
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You should have a look at the Finn or even the J-Type shapes mate, might be more along the lines of what you like...

Eude
 
#7
Great specs. Perfect application for a walnut body IME with Wals. I love the Gotoh GB350 tuners...they're lighter and smoother turning than Hipshot ultralights. I really want to hear these new pickups! Are there samples anywhere?
 
#9
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eude said:
One last question Jared, how come you're going with Gotoh tuners rather than Hipshots?...

Eude
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That was the most recent spec change. Alan is going to make the Gotohs the standard option but will still offer the Hipshot Ultralites.

I've never tried the Resolites so I decided to give them a go since I've heard good things about them.
 
#15
jim777 said:
Holy smoke that bass is stunning! Is the pre available seperately?
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The EQ01 preamp is available separately and Best Bass Gear usually stocks them. The EQ03 has a few additional features & upgrades and is only available in Alan's basses.

j.kernodle said:
nice! so the multicoils are officially available now? might be time to start talking to Alan. :)
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Yep. I believe there are a couple other builds in progress now that will use the multicoil pickups.
 
#16
For someone with no experience with Wals, can you (or anyone experienced) elaborate on what their pups (or the ACG multi-coils discussed here) can do and what you can expect out of them tonally and in terms of playing characteristics? My experience is limited to a couple of different P and J pickups (my main player is a P/J with a set of 80s EMGs), a set of Bart soapbars, and a Bart Musicman pup. As for pres, I'm open to a good one, but like most of mine enough that I usually bypass them and run passive!

Looks like a nice bass in the works!
 
#17
MarkA said:
For someone with no experience with Wals, can you (or anyone experienced) elaborate on what their pups (or the ACG multi-coils discussed here) can do and what you can expect out of them tonally and in terms of playing characteristics? My experience is limited to a couple of different P and J pickups (my main player is a P/J with a set of 80s EMGs), a set of Bart soapbars, and a Bart Musicman pup. As for pres, I'm open to a good one, but like most of mine enough that I usually bypass them and run passive!

Looks like a nice bass in the works!
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+1 - I've no experience of Wals or multi-coil pups, and only a basic 3-band pre. I'm intrigued as it's almost the electronic opposite of my passive P/J build!
 
#18
MarkA said:
For someone with no experience with Wals, can you (or anyone experienced) elaborate on what their pups (or the ACG multi-coils discussed here) can do and what you can expect out of them tonally and in terms of playing characteristics? My experience is limited to a couple of different P and J pickups (my main player is a P/J with a set of 80s EMGs), a set of Bart soapbars, and a Bart Musicman pup. As for pres, I'm open to a good one, but like most of mine enough that I usually bypass them and run passive!

Looks like a nice bass in the works!
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Someone with a greater understanding could probably explain things better, but here's my simple breakdown of the multi-coil setup:

Jazz pickups are single coils around a single bobbin which sense a small area of the strings vibrations giving a bright and clear sound that is susceptible to hum.

P pickups use a split coil (the E&A strings have one coil and the D&G another each with their own bobbin) which means a larger midrange emphasis and a slightly muted top end. The two coils are humcancelling as well.

The Wal pickups actually use two coils PER string so a total of 8 separate bobbins (10 on a five string) which create a very distinct sound. I believe each row of coils (all the ones toward the bridge for instance) is summed in series and then the two sets summed in parallel.

As for sound, the pickups are pretty dark sounding (with a big low mid emphasis) while also being remarkably clear.

Geddy Lee's Power Windows tone is a good reference point, although he plays with a pretty aggressive attack. Invalid Link Removed album is a another, as is Mick Karn's fretless tone. Justin Chancellor is well known for playing a Wal, but (while very cool) I don't think of his tone as being all that representative of the Wal tone in general.



And I'm with you on preamps. All of my other basses are passive but the ACG/East preamp slices the sound in a vastly different (and to me awesome) way than a traditional 2, 3 or 4 band EQ.
 

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