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building a home studio...

OK, Folks - this is what I'd like to see happen now:

One of you guys with a real project post your specs up here. It'd go something like "I have a basement corner with a so-and-so ceiling height, which is fixed. I can put up two walls, but for one of them I have to get somewhere between a beam and a pipe, so it has to be located between this and that distance from the opposing fixed wall. The other dimension should be somewhere between thirteen and nineteen-or-so feet. It'll be for band rehearsals, some jamming, and a little personal recording - but we go to a pro studio for serious tracking..."

What would be more exciting would be a situation where you have a certain long space that has to be divided-up into the the best TWO rooms that could be (studio and control room; studio and isolation room...). This gets exciting because of all the variables and optimizations that can be done (like: we'll be mixing near-field and headphones, but we want to use some distant-miking in the studio, so we'll make the control room small-and-dead, and the studio big...). Picture what I mean? -you have to optimize TWO spaces, but when you increase the dimention of one room, you're DECREASING the corresponding dimention of the other one! Oh yeah - I'm chompin' at the bit now...

...So one of you puts out your requirements and limits, and all of us who feel like playing with our apps can peck-away, and submit back to the forum our best results. Powerfull, Man; powerful - we'll be like a distributed supercomputer. One, big throbbing brain.

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OK - another short tutorial installment: The reason 'big' went with 'distant miking', and 'small' went with 'dead' in the second-to-last paragraph may not be why you think. The reason large room volume goes with distant miking is NOT that you need physical space for 'distance', it's that with distant miking (speaking maybe only two feet, even) you necessarily get much more of the ROOM-sound on your recordings - so it has to be a better sounding room; modal problems get worse and worse with smaller volumes. Making a room deader and deader (shorter reverb time) partially solves small-room-associated modal problems (assuming it's LOW-FREQ absorbtion, not just two-inch sonex!) because wide-spaced modal distribution troubles the LOW response of the room, and in a deader room the 'cutoff frequency' (frequency above-which modes aren't much of a problem) goes lower - leaving you with less of a 'troubled' region. Remember that broadband absorbtion 'looks' to a soundwave like an 'open window', so broadband absorbtion effectively 'makes the room bigger' - or at least takes-away from the walls that are there building modes up. ..So generally-speaking, the smaller you have to make a room, the deader you have to make it.

Joe
 
Hey Joe!

I wish I would of came across this thread a bit sooner, I am just finishing up my basement, it will be primarly for jamming but will also do some recording as well...., I have a fairly big room, and it gets bigger as I go, the majority of the instruments will be set up in the narrow area of the room (dimension 1). I will give you the dimensions in blocks, with the smaller dimensions on top, going to the bigger dimensions on the bottom, if you could look at it from above it would look like a set of steps (one wall runs the whole length 8' + 12' + 5' =25'), at the end of the length I put a 45 degree wall in the corner.

first dimension width 15 '/ length 8' / height 7' 6"
second dimension width 21' / length 12' / height 7' 6" (see note)
third dimension width 25' / length 5' / height 7' 6"

*note, the ceiling drops down 8" on the second dimension, entire width of 21' but only 5' length. (the ceiling drops down after the first dimension and at the beginning of the second dimension)

*note, walls are gyp roc, floors are hardwood, ceiling is gyp roc, except for where the ceiling comes down,that is ceiling tile.

I used soud proof insulation in walls and ceiling... and resiliant(spelling..??)channel on walls and ceiling (suppose to help isolate some of the sound waves.

So my question would be, what would I need to get the most out of the room. We use it for primarly jamming and some recording.

Thanks..
 
willwonka said:
Hey Joe!

I wish I would of came across this thread a bit sooner, I am just finishing up my basement...

I will give you the dimensions in blocks, with the smaller dimensions on top, going to the bigger dimensions on the bottom, if you could look at it from above it would look like a set of steps (one wall runs the whole length 8' + 12' + 5' =25'), at the end of the length I put a 45 degree wall in the corner.

first dimension width 15 '/ length 8' / height 7' 6"
second dimension width 21' / length 12' / height 7' 6" (see note)
third dimension width 25' / length 5' / height 7' 6"
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Hi Will - Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.

The immediate modal problem is due to the fact that 7.5 is a multiple of 15 (every 7.5-mode mode coinsides with every-other 15-mode in this case) AND 25 is a multiple of 25 (square is a worst-case for modes, because every mode is a perfect double-pileup!). Of all those combinations, it looks like the 21/12/7.5 ratio has the nicest distribution.

PM me an email address if you'd like, and I'll send you the Excel application - then you can plug in the numbers yourself and see.

I'll try to find some time this weekend to diddle with the numbers some more myself also.

I have to run just now, but I'll put some more time into it, and see what I find with some of the other combinations. Maybe one dimention can be changed just a little bit, and bring the whole situation under better control. Even if you can't change anything, it'd be interesting to see; and the app will tell you at what freqs to expect the problems - you can also build resonant absorbers that are tuned for certain modal frequencies to 'catch' some of them. Being that the overall volume of the room is decent, and all the 'steps' breaking things up, it's still not as bad as a smaller room with the same ratios.

Talk with y'all again soon!

Joe
 
Hey Joe....where ya going with that gun in your hand...

sorry for the lame humor..anyways, today at lunch I will make sure on my measurements and give you exacts measurements. I am still a rookie at this and have a bit of trouble comprehending all the terms and understanding fully how to deal with some of my trouble areas, considering the odd design.

I have a copy of your excel program but I am not fully confident on how to use it and how to disect the information, since I am not working with a room with 3 measurements.

I will post again this afternoon, and thanks again for taking some time to respond.

thanks