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Building the Best Avatar Rig

#22
jpo259 said:
Here's my SB112/B210 combo. I LOVE the cabs on their own. Tomorrow will be the first time I will have had a chnace to use them together outside my home!! I will report!!

EDIT: Both cabs, I have done the 'crossover mod' to. And both sound significantly better with that mod!!!


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I just got the same cabs to use with my Hartke 5000. Both are 4 ohm. My entire rig (3 space rack bag and 2 cabs) fits in the trunk of my Toyota Camry with room to spare! It is waay loud and punchy, and the 12 gives a nice focused low B. :cool:
 
#24
I run a B212 + 210PRO with a Mackie 1400 pushing 500w into each 4 ohm cab... Sansamp RBI pre... it a great setup and I'm really happy with it.. portable, stackable and handles the low B like a charm!!! just stick some casters on the B212 and your away!!

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#26
Marcus Willett said:
Indeed. I used only 4X10 cabs since '87 up until a couple years ago. Then I switched to an Avatar with the single 15" and tweeter, mostly just on a hunch. I dunno...there's just something very focussed and "there" about a single driver. I don't need a lot of volume at my show, so a single 15 works great. I have been thinking about trying a 2X12 for other gigs tho, seems like that would work pretty nicely as well.
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define "more focused". do two speakers in a cabinet sound a little sloppier than one speaker in a cabinet because they're both trying to catch the signal similtaneously?
 
#27
scorpionldr said:
define "more focused". do two speakers in a cabinet sound a little sloppier than one speaker in a cabinet because they're both trying to catch the signal similtaneously?
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Well, I'm sure there are those who will say that there are some phase variances with multiple drivers. It's after all impossible that they are moving at exactly the same speed and distance and whatnot. I'm sure the physics can get complicated. I'm equally sure there are lots of people who would love to tell you what you are or are not hearing even though they aren't there; happens all the time. "Hey, I can hear X bleeding into my send" or "Something doesn't sound right, it's mushy", only to be greeted with something like "Nope, nothing's changed, you just think you're hearing (whatever)". Uh huh. Had a situation like that at work where the guitar player could hear (in his in-ears) the sound guy talking to one of the dancers during songs. "No way" he says. "Impossible, I've checked everything, there's no way you can be hearing that, it's impossible". Uh huh. Should've seen the look on his face when said guitarist started reciting parts of his conversation... :eek:

So, the best answer I can give is unfortunately an analogy. It's like looking at an image that appears really clear, then finding out there's a piece of (very clear, but still there) glass in front and taking it away. OH. WOW, that's even clearer. Tighter, more focussed, more "there"...just words. All I know for sure ('cause I was there and know what I heard), is it was like...yeah, that's what I was missing.

Huge difference? Nah. But I could tell. Don't believe me? That's fine, you don't have to. Just don't tell me you know what I heard better than I do.

IME, YMMV, blah, blah, blah...
 
#28
I'm kind of surprised I'm not seeing the 210 NEO stacked with a 1x15 much in this thread. I use that setup and it rocks! I play with a VERY well-equipped band (as in two complete PA boards including one for the drums which are all separately mic'd). The guitarists both use full stacks (Marshall/Fender), and wouldn't you know my 1x15 plus the Avatar B210 Neo (both run at 2 ohms/300 watts) doesn't need a bit of help. All the punch and low end in the world - and I'm the only thing NOT going into the PA in any way, shape, or fashion.

Just wanted to throw that combo out as a suggestion.

Jay
 
#29
I have a B212 that I'm very happy with. Recently, though, I paired it with my old Hartke 410XL and was blown away by the results. The 212 was a little shy in the upper mids, and adding the Hartke made the setup REALLY rock. I'm still detecting some tinny sound to the Hartke, so ultimately I'd like to replace it with an Avatar, either a 210, or a 410. I'm inclined to go with the 210, because I don't want to lose all the wicked bottom end I'm getting out of the 212 by overdoing the 10s. Also 410s are just really heavy. The B212 with a 210 setup is one heckuva rig, IMO. For price and performance, I don't think anything else can touch it. :D

I can understand going with the 212 + 410 combination, too.

I haven't heard the Avatar 115.
 
#30
vicenzajay said:
I'm kind of surprised I'm not seeing the 210 NEO stacked with a 1x15 much in this thread. I use that setup and it rocks! I play with a VERY well-equipped band (as in two complete PA boards including one for the drums which are all separately mic'd). The guitarists both use full stacks (Marshall/Fender), and wouldn't you know my 1x15 plus the Avatar B210 Neo (both run at 2 ohms/300 watts) doesn't need a bit of help. All the punch and low end in the world - and I'm the only thing NOT going into the PA in any way, shape, or fashion.

Just wanted to throw that combo out as a suggestion.

Jay
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My initial setup was a 2x10+1x15. Due to portability issues, I downsized my 15 to a 12. Results were......I can carry the 1x12 with one hand & I have the same volume and punch without the boominess of the 15!!
 
#31
DWBass said:
My initial setup was a 2x10+1x15. Due to portability issues, I downsized my 15 to a 12. Results were......I can carry the 1x12 with one hand & I have the same volume and punch without the boominess of the 15!!
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DWBass,

Good point....my 1x15 is heavy - although the B210 is very portable and rather makes up for it IMHO. I have been very happy with the crossover between the 15 and the 10's. I suppose I'm still a fan of the (now dating myself) old P-bass thump as the foundation of the sound. The 210 really allows the whole combo to "thwack" the whole sound through everything else that's going on. For some reason, the 15 gives me more of that thump, however, than a 12. That combined with the fact that it moves quite a bit more air than a 12 is what keeps me from changing the rig.

Jay
 
#32
I like my little SB112. I like the fact that I can carry it with one hand too. I did find I needed to dial some changes in my tone though...it wasn't as 'present' when used alone as compared to my 4x10. No big surprise there. It does sound good with some 10's, I just played 2 shows with it underneath an old Carvin 4x10 that's been loaded with Eminence BP102s. It definitely filled out the sound, yet didn't give it that tubby washy bit on the low end. Soon, It'll be paired with a Shroeder 1212 for bigger shows as I plan to use the 1212 for most gigs by itself (assuming everything works out as planned). I've never run a set up with 3 12's before, so that should be interesting (I did have a 3x15 at one point). The notion of having 2 easily mobile cabs with 3 12's that take up the space of a 4x10 is very very nice. Especially since my rack just bumped up from a four to a heavy five space.

I don't think the Avatars are perfect, but for the price, it really is a good choice.
 
#37
Heres my take on the 210/212 thing. No single piece over 50lbs. Soundwise the Avatar fills in the mids the Aggies are a bit shy in. Frankly its just too much sound for most of the venues i play in but it sounds great outdoors or in a really big room:
 
#39
jpo259 said:
EDIT: Both cabs, I have done the 'crossover mod' to. And both sound significantly better with that mod!!!
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I don't know why I am having trouble finding out how to do this. Could you (or anyone) PM me the info, I will probably forgot the look at this thread if you reply here.
 

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