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Buyer Beware: Noisy Hammer

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Sep 19, 2015
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Hey All,

This is meant more as a warning thread about this builder rather than an explicit “don’t use”. You may have or may have already had a wildly different experience than I did.

TLDR: I asked for custom shaped cabs, did not receive satisfying communication from the builder despite reassurance that work was being completed, and ultimately had to request a refund from my credit card.

Back in July of this year, I contacted Noisy Hammer about custom bass cabs (a 210 and a 115). For those unaware, they are known for building unique cabs. Both shape and style. This was appealing to me over a more standard design (I am aware that many prefer immediate tangible goods on this site).

We agreed on a budget, I sent over a proposed design idea, and when that was all agreed to, I sent the funds over in full.

I did not receive a confirmation of funds received until several days later.

From there I gave the builder space to work. According to stated policy, the build would take around two to three months (mid Sept or late oct) with regular process updates.

I have worked with a few builders over the years with various communication frequencies and styles. I have never had an issue with a builder responding quickly to a query with a status update or quick progress photo.

I followed the builder on Instagram to see if they would post updates, as they have a fairly active presence.

At some point in the process I became aware of the trustpilot site regarding this builder. I will summarize by saying: many people had positive experiences, but stressed that the builder does not communicate well or meet deadlines.

I am located in the US. Noisy Hammer in the UK. During the duration of this situation there was some unfriendliness between the two countries that affected shipping availability for many.

After a little over a month of no contact (August) I reached out to express my concerns about shipping availability. At this point I asked for a cancellation of the order and offered that we do a partial refund (to account for materials that may have been purchased). The builder assured me that they had researched options and offered me a discount on the total purchase.

At this point, I felt uncomfortable with the lack of communication (even basic confirmation of what components would be used in the cab construction) and repeated that I would like a refund.

Multiple days passed (now September) with regular check in requests from me before the builder notified me that he would not offer refunds on custom orders.

At this point, feeling at the end of my rope, I opened a case with PayPal.

The builder notified me that the case with PayPal had frozen his account and hindered his ability to process payments. He encouraged me to continue with the build under the promise to be more communicative and discuss further.

I agreed to close the case but asked that the builder adjust the design back to a standard shape so that the build could be completed more quickly. We had some back and forth at this point as I asked the builder what had already been completed. They stated that the cabs had been assembled, and were waiting in finishing to be sanded and completed with speakers to be installed the following week.

We discussed due dates and the builder agreed to have a finished build by Mid October at the latest.

A month went by with no further confirmation or discussion. But the builder was continually active on social media at this time. At no point did he show or discuss building my bass cabinets.

I sent the builder two further follow up requests via email at the final agreed due date and a few days later.

Having heard nothing further from him, I opened a case with my credit card and received a refund.

As stated at the beginning, this builder can build exciting pieces, and was friendly and approachable up to the point of sale. I hope that mine was a momentary lapse in communication or ability to complete work.
 
It doesn't take much of a skill set or elaborate tooling to build a speaker cab; what sort of special shape were you envisioning that couldn't have been built by a builder in the US?

Other observations: By paying 100% in advance, you give up any leverage you might have to enforce completion. And my spidey sense goes off when a custom builder of anything asks or requires 100% payment in advance. To me, it's an indicator of an operation that can't afford to carry the cost of materials on their own -- a good sign of a small operation that is operating on a too-small budget with less than sterling credit and low cash flow and reserves. And a pretty good sign that if/when you want a refund, it won't be forthcoming because they just don't HAVE the money. Good on you for paying with a credit card so you were at least protected that way. But I'm still curious as to just what you wanted built. Care to enlighten us?
 
It doesn't take much of a skill set or elaborate tooling to build a speaker cab; what sort of special shape were you envisioning that couldn't have been built by a builder in the US?

Other observations: By paying 100% in advance, you give up any leverage you might have to enforce completion. And my spidey sense goes off when a custom builder of anything asks or requires 100% payment in advance. To me, it's an indicator of an operation that can't afford to carry the cost of materials on their own -- a good sign of a small operation that is operating on a too-small budget with less than sterling credit and low cash flow and reserves. And a pretty good sign that if/when you want a refund, it won't be forthcoming because they just don't HAVE the money. Good on you for paying with a credit card so you were at least protected that way. But I'm still curious as to just what you wanted built. Care to enlighten us?
wasn’t such an exotic configuration or anything of that sort.

He previously built a coffin shaped cab and I asked for something similar with a “locking” configuration to allow them to be stacked.

I am sure that a US builder could do similar, but this builder had a previous example.
 
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It doesn't take much of a skill set or elaborate tooling to build a speaker cab; what sort of special shape were you envisioning that couldn't have been built by a builder in the US?

Other observations: By paying 100% in advance, you give up any leverage you might have to enforce completion. And my spidey sense goes off when a custom builder of anything asks or requires 100% payment in advance. To me, it's an indicator of an operation that can't afford to carry the cost of materials on their own -- a good sign of a small operation that is operating on a too-small budget with less than sterling credit and low cash flow and reserves. And a pretty good sign that if/when you want a refund, it won't be forthcoming because they just don't HAVE the money. Good on you for paying with a credit card so you were at least protected that way. But I'm still curious as to just what you wanted built. Care to enlighten us?
Also, you’re fully correct regarding the red flags. I’ve read enough stories here to know better but you never think it’ll happen to you, ya know?

And I’m not calling him a thief or anything like that. I have no doubt he would eventually deliver the cabs. I just wasn’t interested in waiting/continuously pestering.
 
I follow Noisy Hammer on Facebook, he's pretty good. I'm not going to challenge your account of what happened here but I know he has plenty of happy clients.

That being said, there's no reason why you couldn't just go to Zilla instead, and not deal with importing.
 
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I follow Noisy Hammer on Facebook, he's pretty good. I'm not going to challenge your account of what happened here but I know he has plenty of happy clients.

That being said, there's no reason why you couldn't just go to Zilla instead, and not deal with importing.

Like I said at the top, I went with him because he showed a strong customer base and built some great looking stuff. I feel my experience came from some other element causing the delay. Be that design or global shipping etc. I don’t write this to dispute his quality.

I considered Zilla as well, and I see that they have a US agreement. If I remember correctly, they had also frozen US orders around this time. I could be wrong though.

I love their customizer.
 
Kinda curious, what's these. "special" shaped cabs look like?
Part of me would like to build cabs and whatnot for people, but the logistics of shipping things like that create hesitation.
 
An alternative take:

It's often the case that people that build cool things are not the greatest communicators (and ideally spend most of their time building rather than emailing), and I suggest anyone doing business with someone to build something custom take that into account. It sounds like this guy is most respected and reviewed for the final product that he does deliver, and it sounds like you never had any reason to believe that this wasn't going to be delivered as originally ordered. Pretty much no-one will offer refunds on a custom build, its kinda crazy to ding someone for not offering a refund on a custom build, and then opening a PayPal dispute against him when he hadn't yet broken any agreements with you probably soured the interaction pretty well from his perspective- especially if he had even offered a partial refund just to make you happy before the projected finish date.
 
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An alternative take:

It's often the case that people that build cool things are not the greatest communicators (and ideally spend most of their time building rather than emailing), and I suggest anyone doing business with someone to build something custom take that into account. It sounds like this guy is most respected and reviewed for the final product that he does deliver, and you never had any reason to believe that this wasn't going to be delivered as originally ordered. Pretty much no-one will offer refunds on a custom build, its kinda crazy to ding someone for not offering a refund on a custom build, and then opening a PayPal dispute against him when he hadn't yet broken any agreements with you probably soured the interaction pretty well from his perspective- especially if he had even offered a partial refund just to make you happy well before the projected finish date.
Just to hit on a few things here.

I agree with you in principle that the end result likely would have been worthwhile. However, my concern and reason to doubt was more about the fact that we had not agreed on a number of components yet (speaker brand for example). And I was also told that the cabs were in a completed state, but had not received any pictures or updates on the locking mechanism or design choices we had yet to make.

I’m not disputing my part in souring the relationship either. I definitely felt uncomfortable, but I was the one who offered the partial refund. Not the builder. I recognize that as a small business, if he purchases components that’s cash out that may be difficult to backfill. So I offered to compensate him for expenses he may have incurred.

The only thing I will disagree with you on is the communication aspect. The builder was regularly posting videos of himself goofing around in the workshop and memes. If you have the time to make those, I think you can take a few seconds to respond to an email.
 
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Just to hit on a few things here.

I agree with you in principle that the end result likely would have been worthwhile. However, my concern and reason to doubt was more about the fact that we had not agreed on a number of components yet (speaker brand for example). And I was also told that the cabs were in a completed state, but had not received any pictures or updates on the locking mechanism or design choices we had yet to make.

I’m not disputing my part in souring the relationship either. I definitely felt uncomfortable, but I was the one who offered the partial refund. Not the builder. I recognize that as a small business, if he purchases components that’s cash out that may be difficult to backfill. So I offered to compensate him for expenses he may have incurred.

The only thing I will disagree with you on is the communication aspect. The builder was regularly posting videos of himself goofing around in the workshop and memes. If you have the time to make those, I think you can take a few seconds to respond to an email.
I read this as the builder offering you a discount before you started a PayPal dispute "After a little over a month of no contact (August) I reached out to express my concerns about shipping availability. At this point I asked for a cancellation of the order and offered that we do a partial refund (to account for materials that may have been purchased). The builder assured me that they had researched options and offered me a discount on the total purchase." I read that as him putting forth a monetary resolution a month in to a 3 month projected build time to chill you out despite him not having done anything wrong.
 
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I read this as the builder offering you a discount before you started a PayPal dispute "After a little over a month of no contact (August) I reached out to express my concerns about shipping availability. At this point I asked for a cancellation of the order and offered that we do a partial refund (to account for materials that may have been purchased). The builder assured me that they had researched options and offered me a discount on the total purchase." I read that as him putting forth a monetary resolution a month in to a 3 month projected build time to chill you out despite him not having done anything wrong.

Gotcha. Yeah it was the opposite. I told him I wanted to cancel but offered him to keep some of the cost to cover his expenses.