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Buying blind: Win or fail?

Every bass I’ve ever owned was used.

I’ve bought all but one or two basses blind. They have all been excellent. The only one that I expected to tick every box and didn’t was the Zon Vinnie.

I sold it for what I had in it. After a year of trying to love it. It was worth it to try it out.

The Dingwalls have all been amazing basses.

The Peavey Cirrus was miles beyond what I expected.
 
My son in law bought me a MIM Jazz bass online five years ago and had it mailed to me.

I love it and would probably have selected it out of others in a store if I'd been shopping in person.

Will never know for sure of course.
 
Over the years I've bought a number of instruments online. I thought it would be interesting to list the ones that worked out and the ones that didn't. All are quality instruments. My criteria for the failures is: would I have bought this if I had been able to play it first? Most of the failures I kept for a while before selling with exceptions described below. Feel free to make your own lists.


Wins!:

Ken Smith KSR 5MW
Carvin Icon
Keisel Xccelerator
Roscoe SKB
Modern Vintage MVJ4
D'Angelico Excel 59 guitar


Fails:

Eastman T386 guitar: shorter 24 3/4" scale difficult for my big hands. Otherwise a great guitar and bang for the buck.
Fodera Monarch Standard: generic sound, expensive
Kinal MK21; neck was uncomfortable. I ate the return shipping and restocking fee as I knew I would never bond with it.
Carvin BB75: Beautiful bass but sound was nothing great. I took advantage of the 10 day return policy.
Warwick Corvette $$: Had a noticeable dead spot at the 7th fret on the G string.


Providing I didn't take a big hit financially, I don't consider this a fail. Some years ago I bought and sold 150 basses in a few years and I reckon I came out about even $ wise, but I tried many I might not have been able to otherwise, so it reduced GAS for otherwise untouchable basses and taught me what I like and don't, so it was actually a win overall.

My last bass purchase was my BTB, bought from 800km away new from a dealer and I love it.


I do not think I could tell if a bass was right for me in less than 30 days. So trying in store and buying blind doesn’t make a difference, for me.
 
I'm a lefty, so the most part of my bass purchases is done online and I've bought severel. I've sold them all again though.
But only one time I' ve been disapointed. Bought a Carvin 6 stringer which came in a flood of rust and goo. It was so nasty. I cleaned it up, but I couldn't get past the nastyness..
 
I have bought literally hundreds of instruments online, over the past 25 years or so.

The number that I would not have bought in person? Perhaps half a dozen, if that. And that is largely due to build quality issues with the specific copy that I got, not due to making mistakes regarding what I like and what I don't like.

Let's see if I can name them:

1. 2013 Gibson EB with significant build quality issues (screwed up body contouring/sanding). Guitar Center, on sale as B stock for under $700 delivered. The pickguard also didn't follow the pickups very well, resulting in some unsightly white poking through. And, I thought the Babicz bridge was a mediocrely made unit. Sent it back for refund. I would have bought this model in person, but not this copy. Also, I now regret sending it back, as they prove to be rare and expensive in white, and I could have stripped it, filled the problem areas with Bondo, and refinished it with a better looking gloss white finish, instead of matte – and installed a Hipshot A style bridge. I would like one some day, but not for the $1,000 to $1,200 people are asking for them. They were $1,000 retail price when new, and ought to be $750 at most on the used market, IMO.

2. Recent D'Angelico DC 90. Musician's Friend. Sold it for more than I bought it for on sale, and bought another for the same sale price. The second copy I received is the model of perfection, outshining most import guitars I have ever played. Again, I would have bought this model in person, but not the first copy that I received.

3. Hofner Club Bass from Pro Audio Star. Strings were garbage, tuners were garbage, and fretboard was not perfectly straight. Nut was poorly made. I would not have bought this model if I had played it in person first. But I had got a very good deal on it ($465 brand new, with its proper Hofner hard case), and it does have a certain special something that none of my other basses have. So I rectified these issues myself, rather than sending it back.

4. G&L L-2000 1983/1989 Frankenbass. Guitar Center used buy. Showed up with warped neck and being a parts bass, not to mention that during shipping, it busted through the top of the Roadrunner hard case that I had purchased for it to be shipped in. Found out, thanks to TalkBass, that the bass had been sold and returned at least two times prior, for the same price. I reamed them about it in an e-mail, and ended up getting the bass for about $600 (sans case). I straightened the neck myself. Definitely would not have bought this in person, because I would have asked to have seen the date stamps in the store first.

5. Epiphone Elitist white Les Paul Custom, from Music 123. Purchased brand new, circa 2003. Showed up with diagonal finish cracks under nut (headstock probably took a whack during shipping). Sent it back for a full refund, and never replaced it. I would have bought the white Elitist LP in person, if it hadn't been screwed up like that. In the end, I got the Elitist SG instead, which got stolen. I replaced it with an open book headstock (Japanese domestic market) version of the same thing, for half the price. Sold it to my bandmate, and he still owns it (I gifted him a set of Seyour Duncan "unofficial Jimmy Page" pickups for it, and installed them, and it rips).

6. 1982 G&L SB-1. Reverb. Bought it relatively cheaply (about $470 after tax and shipping) knowing it had some issues, like having been poorly refinished, and having had the original electronics replaced. But it showed up with a wildly warped neck, a thick, gummy overcoat of clear on the neck, and a painted over bridge – all of which I had specifically inquired about with the seller prior to buying, and been assured that these things were not the case. I tore him a new one for lying to me, and he claimed stupidity, not malice, and offered (and sent) me $325 back, so I ended up getting the bass for $145. I would not have bought this bass in person for $470, but I would have for $145, just as a parts bass (which is exactly what it has been used for).

7. G&L L-5000, here on TalkBass. Arrived with serious issues that the buyer had misrepresented, even when specifically asked about them prior to purchase. Buyer claimed stupidity rather than malice (which I most definitely did not buy), and offered a 40 percent refund – which only sort of satisfied me, because the whole situation left a terrible taste in my mouth. Similarly to the SB-1 above, I would have bought it in person for the amount I ended up getting it for in the end, but not for what I initially paid for it – and I could have done without the attempted screw-over by a member of this community.

8. Music Man Sterling Stingray Short scale in white. Pro Audio Star, brand new (not B stock), but negotiated down 25 percent to $450. Showed up with a huge fretboard ding on the treble side edge. I asked to send it back. They offered $60 back, to get it repaired. I took the repair money, and then steamed the ding out a bit myself, then filled the rest with brush-on polyurethane. I then stripped the neck, dyed it a classy yellow with alcohol-band aniline dye, refinished it in clear lacquer, and put a beautiful gold and black pre-EB style Music Man decal on it. Then, I special ordered a real Music Man U.S.A. hard case for it. I definitely would have bought this model in person, but not this copy.

So, I guess it is over a half dozen...but I can't think of any more at the moment. Not a bad miss rate for 25 years of buying online.

Notice some commonalities among these? Four out of seven of them are from gigantic chain stores (all of which are now conglomerated; Music 123 was not owned by Guitar Center at the time of my Epi purchase). The other two of the eight that were not from a private party were from a cheesy blowout retailer that doesn't post anything buy stock photos (Pro Audio Star). No problems whatsoever from Sweetwater, Chicago Music Exchange, Wildwood, Wilcutt, Dave's, or other better run, classier joints.
 
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Over the years I've bought a number of instruments online. I thought it would be interesting to list the ones that worked out and the ones that didn't. All are quality instruments. My criteria for the failures is: would I have bought this if I had been able to play it first? Most of the failures I kept for a while before selling with exceptions described below. Feel free to make your own lists.


Wins!:

Ken Smith KSR 5MW
Carvin Icon
Keisel Xccelerator
Roscoe SKB
Modern Vintage MVJ4
D'Angelico Excel 59 guitar


Fails:

Eastman T386 guitar: shorter 24 3/4" scale difficult for my big hands. Otherwise a great guitar and bang for the buck.
Fodera Monarch Standard: generic sound, expensive
Kinal MK21; neck was uncomfortable. I ate the return shipping and restocking fee as I knew I would never bond with it.
Carvin BB75: Beautiful bass but sound was nothing great. I took advantage of the 10 day return policy.
Warwick Corvette $$: Had a noticeable dead spot at the 7th fret on the G string.
Sure, I'll gladly chime in here.

My first bass was a Jackson CBX V, got it as a gift 2 years ago. Perfectly fine bass with EMG pickups. Fast, thin neck, pretty good fretwork overall, thunderous B string, no dead spots etc, decent tuners, whatever Fender strings that I changed for black beauties from DR. It played and sounded great with really low action. Stupid low action, in fact. Way lower than anything I have ever owned.

Honestly I didn't even need to change my bass from that ever, but as we all know... GAS.

Then I got a Warwick Thumb 6. Bought it online, used from Reverb. No issues, great bass in every way. Also a keeper if it didn't dive like crazy.

So yeah, those 2 I have bought/got blind, the next 2 I went and played in person :)
 
I have bought many basses online without being able to try them. So far, I had one that was a Fender AV 58 P that had an issue. The pickup was cutting out. I could have sent it back but I got a free repair instead.

That said, I have bought 2 other new basses, and a few used Fender guitars and basses, that were all great. Bought online, sight unseen. Including my current bass.
 
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I've bought both guitars and basses online. They all were good except the Fender Modern Player Tele has a bit of a ski jump. Notable online winners were the avatar pic Walnut '78 Fretless 4001, an '83 CAR MIJ P bass (perfect condition with case and included a Duncan pickup) bought it in 2000 for $300., and a 2004 FireGlo Ric 4003 in perfect condition. I've gotten a few parts I wasn't happy with. Not as many as the good ones, so that isn't a risk, either. Overall, I enjoy shopping online and haven't had too many bad experiences. Even those were minor.
 
Been buying basses online since I started playing, and never had an issue. Part of the problem for me is that, to have ANY kind of selection at all, I'd have to drive (at least) about 10 hours to any music shop worth mentioning. It's pathetic.

My first was a used LTD F-204, served me well for the first few years, all others were purchased new: a Squier Vintage Modified P-Bass (when they first came out. Turned into a fretless), a 2008/09 Fender Mex. P-Bass, an Ibanez SR306, and my latest addition: a Yamaha TRB1006.

Sure, I've had to do some modifications here and there, but there were no glaring QC issues or anything like that.
 
Mostly win for me. I normally get them into shape at some point but somd needed more work that others.

The only fail is a Sire which was a covid buy...and it isn't going to make a gig so is useless to me.
I might delay when I sell because i still play it from time to time but atm, its just a question of when.
It could be useful in a trade.
 
Of the 20 or so basses owned in my lifetime, only one was ever played or touched before purchase.

My biggest "win" was when I threw down a cool grand on a Reverend Triad back in 2019, based solely on TalkBass feedback. That bass is my "burried with me" bass, the only bass I have ever owned and not changed something (strap locks don't count.)
 
IMO if you are buying online, unseen, you have to be certain about the seller and ask all the right questions.

Never be "too keen" to buy anything. Always be prepared to walk away.

I haven't made many, but so far, I have not been burned on online purchases.
 
Most of the basses I've had were bought blind online...the only fail was a Limited Edition Montezuma Brown Rickenbacker. Loved the look and sound but couldn't bond with the ergonomics. I sold it within a month for the price I paid for it. Everything else was a win... especially my 1986 Alembic Persuader!!
 
I bought my custom Alembic 'sight unseen' as there was no choice on a one-off ! OF course, I trusted them to get it exactly right, and being Alembic with Susan and Mica and Mary, it came to me BETTER than perfect. Ya know, THAT's why they're Alembic, and most everyone else . . . . ain't.

Even here in Nashville, where there's no shortage of guitar stores, the three Squiers I've bought weren't around when I decided NOW was the time. I bought all three through reverb.com., two of them from local music stores (Cali and SC) and the third from Chicago Musical Exchange. I've been around long enough I can read a spec sheet, and had a pretty good idea what to expect. The two fives beat expectations. All three have been fine.

I can see where if I was a youngster starting out, it could get sketchy with little experience, but at my age and lots of horse-trading under my wheels, aside from the 'Did-UPS-crush-it-on-the-way' lottery experience, it's been fine.
 
Four of the five in my current stable were bought blind. The only one bought in person was my L2500 Tribute - kind of an impulse buy from my GF while we were browsing the local Sam Ash (and a GREAT guitar, one of the best imports out there IMO).

I have bought a handful of others blind in the past, and I'm happy to say that none of them were considered fails. They were traded/sold due to financial woes or just bc I had bad GAS for something else. :D
 
WINS-

Bass:
Squier CV 60s JB
Squier Matt Freeman PB
Squier VM Jaguar
Gibson SB-300
Gretsch Junior Jet
Chowny SWB-1
Aria Pro II Thor fretless
Willcox Saber VL
Gibson Ripper
Peavey T-40
Peavey T-20
Supro Huntington
D’Angelico Excel
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Guitars:
Squier CV Telecaster
Hamer XT Sunburst AT
G-Sharp OF-1
Yamaha Revstar 502T
Gibson Les Paul Tribute
D’Angelico Excel DC

Biggest surprise: the Matt Freeman PB. That has become my all time favorite Precision. Everything I was ever looking for in a Fender bass is there. Tone, playability - you name it. The best $379.99 I ever spent. Had that bass been the first bass I ever bought there’s a very good chance I might not have ever looked to own anything else. My only regret is not buying a second one when you could still get them new. Used ones today are going for around $650. And the prices are continuing to climb.

FAILS

None so far. Chalk it up to 50% luck, doing the research, and knowing what and who you’re buying from as far as it’s humanly possible. I’ve been very happy, (and in some cases borderline ecstatic) with my online buying experiences. Ran into a few bad actors and SJDFRs along the way. But that was no loss since I didn’t end up doing business with any of them. Takeaway from that is: “Trust your gut.” If something (or someone) feels not quite right, walk away.
 
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