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Buying "upgraded" basses

A couple of years ago I sold an original 62 Jazz basses which had been “upgraded” to include: poly refinish, changed pickups and the fingerboard changed to a braz rosewood unmarked fretless.

I was amazed to find I got considerably less than the value of an all-original example.
Like I kind of alluded to in a post on here a while ago, I don't think modded basses are a way to increase the value of your guitar no matter how much you spend on them or regardless of how much better they are from the stock item. It's something you do for you, not anyone else. Your 62 Jazz is for the purists, even if you changed the original PG screws some folk would knock you down.
 
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Like I kind of alluded to in a post on here a while ago, I don't think modded basses are a way to increase the value of your guitar no matter how much you spend on them or regardless of how much better they are from the stock item. It's something you do for you, not anyone else. Your 62 Jazz is for the purists, even if you changed the original PG screws some folk would knock you down.

It's something you do for you, not anyone else.
Exactly! Dead on!

If someone's modded bass appeals to you, go for it! But it better be "discounted" from an original's value.
 
I tend to avoid them, but they're always exceptions, especially if it is well done and the owner isn't asking big $$ for the mod thinking it is the bees knees or the like.

For instance, this Dean Jeff Berlin Player MIC.
Bass Lines pups by Seymore Duncan were added along with a three way switch. It was done quite well and the owner didn't ask any more for it than a stock used one. It was also in great cosmetic shape.
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Or this Fender JP90 modified by the PO. Really well done refinish from a plane Jane bass to a looker. Wasn't that much more $$ than a used good condition stock Fender JP 90.
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Might want to add a poll to your thread?:hyper:

  • Yes
  • Depends
  • No
  • Carrots

Just sayin':smug:
Beautiful Dean Berlin. I never knew he had a "signature" Dean.
 
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Back in early 2000 I had bought a Precision that had been "upgraded" with a Jazz neck. I was happy to find it, I was looking at modding one myself, but I paid regular market value for a used Precision, so I guess the previous owner was out the cost of the "upgrade"(on top or regular depreciation). And I think it's the best you can expect on modded instruments, it would better to put it back in stock form if at all possible, and sell the upgrade parts separately IMO.
Vintage instruments are another animals, any change from stock form would devalue them enormously.
 
A couple of years ago I sold an original 62 Jazz basses which had been “upgraded” to include: poly refinish, changed pickups and the fingerboard changed to a braz rosewood unmarked fretless.

I was amazed to find I got considerably less than the value of an all-original example.
All those changes make that bass no longer an "original 62" jazz bass. You, or someone, changed everything about it. Changing it to a fretless probably did the most to reduce it's value as that's a niche quality.
 
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A couple of years ago I sold an original 62 Jazz basses which had been “upgraded” to include: poly refinish, changed pickups and the fingerboard changed to a braz rosewood unmarked fretless.

I was amazed to find I got considerably less than the value of an all-original example.

That’s because most people who want a vintage J want one that’s as stock as possible. The refin and fretless conversion are the two things that lower the value the most, the pickups would be next in line.

I own two pre-CBS P basses. Both have well done refinishes on both the body and the neck. One of them (see my avatar) has almost nothing left stock except the controls and the wood. Pickups, bridge, tuning machines, even the output jack are all non-original. As result that bass cost me maybe 25% of what a fully stock one from the same year would have cost at the time. I did think about having a restoration done but liked how it sounded so much I changed my mind. The other P I got for about 50% of what a non-refin would have cost at the time.

Up on Reverb right now, 62/63 Ps ranging from $5K to $30K :

VINTAGE 1963 FENDER PRECISION BASS w/1970's FENDER CASE

This 1963 Fender Precision Bass has been modified. The body was stripped and sanded, possibly with a belt sander on the top, creating a much thinner body with sharper edges. There are no numbers on the pickups so the originals may have been replaced at some time. The neck is in nice condition and has that classic pre-cbs feel, also sanded at the base. A previous owner most likely sanded the body, along with the neck base to reduce the weight while maintaining the action. The case is an original Fender case from the 1970's and is in excellent condition other than the middle latch is broken / missing. $5,435.50

1962 Fender Precision Bass

Neck stamp dates to "5 NOV 62 C” Bass weighs 8 lbs 7 oz
Rosewood fingerboard is the round-lam style
Bass was refinished in Olympic White
Pickup and Electronics are original, but pickguard is missing the metal shield. Original knobs, pickguard screws are replacements. Original tail piece cover is present, but pickup cover is missing.
Bass has it's original neck, but has a headstock repair. Scarf joint can be seen between "E" and "A" tuners, and a maple veneer was placed on front and rear of the headstock. Headstock decal is a reproduction, but period correct. Repair was done professionally, and is of very high quality. Bass has been played for years without issue. Please see photos.
Brown original hardshell case is included, missing Fender logo $7,000

This is a very nice Fender Precision Bass, made in the USA in 1962. It has been professionally refinished sunburst. Most of the parts are original, but the pots are changed, and half of the pickup is a slightly later 60's grey bottom pickup. The other parts are original including the tuners, bridge, hardware, and pickguard. The bass weighs 8 pounds and 3 ounces. This bass has been pro-setup in our store and plays and sounds great. It comes with a non original hard case. $8,500

1963 Fender precision bass(Instrument is on consignment)

Details:
Original Blonde finish
Original parts
"Fracture" line at headstock ( see pictures ) but not a broke headstock. (Call with any questions)
With original case. $13,000

Here's a very rare 1962 P-Bass in Fiesta Red. It comes with its original "Selmer" case as it was an import for England at the time. This bass has had a not so great black refinish long ago. But the great thing is that we managed to remove the black paint and we discovered the rare Fiesta red underneath. It plays like a dream with the new set of Thomastik flat wounds. We had to desolder the pickups to restore this bass but everything inside up to the screws (one is missing for the pickguard) look to the best of our knowledge 100% original. The pots are both dated 40th week of 1962 and the neck is stamped with August 62. It also comes with the two original covers. This one is a keeper, we promise you. $21,760.19

You are looking at an original 1962 Fender Precision Bass. Serial number 85594. Everything works. The bass is in great condition considering its age. There is the one bad finish mark on the back of the neck. Looks like that is from the case rubbing there. Other than that, it’s in overall good shape! All electronics work. We do not believe the case to be original. Looks like it might have been home made. $30,000 (on consignment, overpriced IMHO)

As you can see, everything that is non-original detracts from the price.
 
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