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Cab position floor or raised?

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bassplayer48

May 1, 2006
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Melbourne Australia
#1
Ok i made a discovery i have an Eden 212XLT which i am running with a GK backline 300 i have been having trouble trying to get the right sound and made an interesting discovery

i raised the 212 XLT up higher and put the box on its side, and it makes a huge difference it sounds fantastic, i think this cab has very low frequencies and when you are standing right in front of it when its upright on the floor u tend to not hear some of the lows making it a bit hard to hear. But when raised up closer to ear level this is pretty close to the perfect bass sound and what i was hoping to achieve, nice fat lows similar to a 15 but with clarity definition and punch of a 12 it has fantastic tone.
I was wondering if anyone else has had this experience just so i know its not my imagination.
 
#2
You don't say...

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I lay mine on its side more out of necessity... my 2x10 is just a tad too wide to set on top of it upright, and the whole thing just seems a little too tippity that way...

+1 on all of your comments on that cab though... exactly how I've always felt about mine too. Deep like a 15, but able to pump out a whole lot more volume.
 
#7
It is all dependent on where you are playing and what you are playing on!
On a solid/firm floor bass is fine, the worst of all are temperory or poorly constructed stages where the they just soak up the bass frequencies as the cab vibrates.
There is nothing like a good solid floor for Bass.
 
#9
ras1983 said:
I'll ask you the same question a friend asked me:

"When was the last time you went to a performance and the PA speakers were on the ground?".

My answer was "Never, they're always on poles or mounted on walls/ceilings".

He replied "Exactly".
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Iwould have said most of the time, if not always unles its a vocal PA. the way i see it most small PA's are on stands to get the speakers up to ear height. ive not seen any bass bins off the floor.
Most gigs i go to the PA speakers are two (or more) stacks on either side of the stage, and they are on the floor with the Bass bins at the bottom.
 
#11
ras1983 said:
I'll ask you the same question a friend asked me:

"When was the last time you went to a performance and the PA speakers were on the ground?".

My answer was "Never, they're always on poles or mounted on walls/ceilings".

He replied "Exactly".
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Vocal rig on poles, PA rig on the floor starting with the Bass bins. Flying rigs are used for some in house instalations but most touring and giging bands that take a multi speaker system have them on the floor
 
#12
you know i used to have this same problem, so i went out and bought an auralex gramma,(Link Removed) and i have had a massive improvement in my tone, i hear things better, the audience hears things better and the whole room doesnt shake when i play.

i played a gig a few weeks ago in a massive hall with a hollow wooden stage and a hard wood floor, every other band that played had terrible trouble with the bass sound, so they are all there turning up their big rigs because they cant hear themselves properly, and along i wonder with my auralex, i plug into the house amp, (a hartke 1x15 combo rated at about 500 watts) put my auralex under it and i had a great sound, the whole band could hear me, and the stage volume wasnt too loud.


best £70 i have ever spent.


Dave
 
#14
fretless Bob said:
you know i used to have this same problem, so i went out and bought an auralex gramma,(Link Removed) and i have had a massive improvement in my tone, i hear things better, the audience hears things better and the whole room doesnt shake when i play.

i played a gig a few weeks ago in a massive hall with a hollow wooden stage and a hard wood floor, every other band that played had terrible trouble with the bass sound, so they are all there turning up their big rigs because they cant hear themselves properly, and along i wonder with my auralex, i plug into the house amp, (a hartke 1x15 combo rated at about 500 watts) put my auralex under it and i had a great sound, the whole band could hear me, and the stage volume wasnt too loud.


best £70 i have ever spent.


Dave
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That is my point exactly the lows seem to get soaked up but get it off the ground and i can hear it better, those auralex products look interesting woonder if they are available in Australia.
 
#15
bassplayer48 said:
That is my point exactly the lows seem to get soaked up but get it off the ground and i can hear it better, those auralex products look interesting woonder if they are available in Australia.
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cut this form their dealers page, they even have one in Vietnam!


Major Music Wholesale
Greg Cato
Unit7 / 15-23 Kumulla Road
Miranda, NSW 2228
Australia
Tel: [61] 02-9525-2088
Fax: [61] 02-9525-2082
[email protected]
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honestly one of those will make your rig come alive!


Dave
 
#16
Here's a thread I started on the DB side:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211551&highlight=cabinet+floor

Honestly, the best advice I can give is experiment. Each room is different and reacts differently to bass.

As a rule, my 4x10 always goes on the floor. It feels best that way...tons of solid low end -- just the way I like it!

However, some clubs I play in are way too boomy, so whatever cab I'm using ends up on my handy milk crate to de-couple with the floor.
 
#17
ive always just thrown it on the floor, but one practice i put my 4x10 up on a 4x12 cab that we use for vocals and it was so much better. now thats just because it was in a better position for me to hear it, but i much prefer that position now.


about the auralex, does it matter if your cab has casters?
 
#18
MarkMyWordsXx said:
ive always just thrown it on the floor, but one practice i put my 4x10 up on a 4x12 cab that we use for vocals and it was so much better. now thats just because it was in a better position for me to hear it, but i much prefer that position now.


about the auralex, does it matter if your cab has casters?
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well really i would be a little bit worried about it rolling off if it had casters, if you are lucky enough to have the kind of casters that you can just pull out i guess your in luck, if not you could just unscrew them, unless your cab weighs a ton that is:D


Dave
 
#19
ras1983 said:
I'll ask you the same question a friend asked me:

"When was the last time you went to a performance and the PA speakers were on the ground?".

My answer was "Never, they're always on poles or mounted on walls/ceilings".

He replied "Exactly".
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That's not always true - generally speaking the MAINS are off of the ground on poles or suspended, but I see SUBS on the floor quite often.
 
#20
agreatheight said:
That's not always true - generally speaking the MAINS are off of the ground on poles or suspended, but I see SUBS on the floor quite often.
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if you think about it though, you are getting all the definition that you need from the mains that are off the floor, and i would say that really the subs jod is to get a lot of air moving and not really be defined, like they are meant to put that into the floor, but with us, we have to get all of that definition and all of that low end out of one/two enclosures, having them off of the floor is gonna improve your chances of getting all of that out better.


if you start talking about bi-amping then maybe it would be better having one on the floor and one off the floor but that is another story.


Dave
 

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