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Cab survey: Three questions

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Max, Apr 1, 2006.


  1. Max

    Max Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2000
    Bakersfield, CA
    I'd love to hear from as many TBer's as possible the answer to the following questions:

    1. What cabinets are you playing through?

    2. For how long?

    3. What's your take/experience on speaker life?

    I am playing through Ampeg SVTs : a 410HE and a 115. They're six years old. Fairly steady play. Used but not abused. I know sustain is a funciton of several things, including your strings and bridge. I don't slap and I don't play real loud so they're not driving hard. But at least to me the sound has deteriorated over time.

    Im just curious how often you guys have switched out this part of your rig on the basis of your cabinet's longevity.
    Thanks everybody.
     
  2. I've been playing through a Sunn 410H and a Peavey 115BW for about four years and three years respectively. Both bought used. Both have original speakers in them (as far as I know) and are functioning fine.

    On the Sunn I've broken casters, blown a horn, and I need to get the wiring on the input jacks looked at, but as far as speakers I've had no problems with either cab.
     
  3. 8mmOD

    8mmOD

    Mar 20, 2005
    USA
    I endorse & use Tech 21 pedals, Eminence loaded cabs, EMG pickups, Jim Dunlop picks & Ernie Ball Strings, BC Rich Basses.
    Unless they are are damaged, you should not notice a deterioration of sound with your 6 year old, lightly used speakers. My SVT 15 is an '89 & still going strong, i bought it used about 10 years ago.

    What exactly sounds different than when they were newer? Is it possible the problem is with your bass or amp?
     
  4. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    I have never noticed deterioration of speakers. Foam surrounds are known to rot, and it is probably not a good idea to store speakers long term at elevated temperatures.
     
  5. DAcat

    DAcat Supporting Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Iowa
    Schroeder 410 "original"series:D ...bought new 5 monthes ago...no problems. Avatar 210 Delta:) ...new 8 monthes...no problems. Acoustic 361:bag::D :D ...bought new 1970...Cerwin Vega 18" ...still in mint condition...works perfectly...no problems(though basically hasn't been played since 1973)...Peace...DAcat...:cool:
     
  6. ibz

    ibz

    Apr 14, 2005
    Columbus, OH
    1. Schroeder 1210 R

    2. Oh 4-5 months

    3. I think cabs can last a real long time. I think accidental puncture or too much power/ stress is more likly to wear a speaker out than time. IE deteriorating, molding ect.
     
  7. Any chance you've been playing close to the drummer (or loud guitar for that matter) without hearing protection?
     
  8. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Eden D-410XLT for about 8 or 10 years. Bergantino HT322 for about a year. I switch back and forth depending on my mood. Both cabs dominate.
     
  9. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    I have only experienced "deterioration" in two instances in my life.

    One was when living in the Caribbean, when the "house" bass rig, with 2x15 cab, had speakers that were literally ROTTING from the constant high humidity. They even had green fungus-like stuff growing on them.

    The other was with Hartke aluminum cone cabs. Worked GREAT in the Caribbean humidity, but the felt dust caps would eventually, with age, separate from the aluminum speaker cone, each speaker one by one, which would sound like a blown speaker. A cheap fix, but six of those buggers all did it to me within the same year. I personally steer away from Hartke aluminum speakers to this day, but if I ever moved back to St. Thomas, I'd buy them over EVERYTHING else because of the humidity factor. Bergantino, Accugroove, Epiphany, whatever, wouldn't hold up two years down there when compared to aluminum.
     
  10. LeonD

    LeonD Supporting Member

    1. SWR Goliath II Jr.

    2. 13 years.

    3. I was thinking that because the cab was that old, it must be time for some type of maintenance. Then I let a friend use the cab and he said it was the warmest cabinet he's ever played through.

    Now, I'm not touching a thing. :)

    LeonD
     
  11. Kenny Allyn

    Kenny Allyn

    Mar 25, 2006
    Memphis
    Goliath IIs 4x10 cabs the old greyfront ones with the rear ports ... I've had them for maybe 8 or 9 years and they were used when I got them (one was a rental cab so I know it was well used). Both still sound great ... but lately my favorite rig is an SWR Henry the 8x8 about the best overall cab I've ever used with an Ashdown ABM 500 driving it.
     
  12. Ostinato

    Ostinato Guest

    Feb 7, 2005
    Toronto ON
    Eden D410T...13 years, just recently sold to a guy with an XLT who wanted a 410 stack. When I got the Acme, however, it was like night and day, tonally speaking (The Eden being night:p )
    Eden speakers have a rep for being robust; actually I think any speaker will last a long time as long as you're playing clean (no effects) and you're using some kind of compression/limiting.
     
  13. Tim1

    Tim1

    Sep 9, 2005
    New Zealand
    One or two Goliath 3s, depending on the size of the gig. Goliaths have never let me down since I started using them 16 or so years ago.
     
  14. Max

    Max Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2000
    Bakersfield, CA
    I have been giving your post a lot of thought and thanks whacker. This in fact, may be my problem. My bass teacher was at our gig last night and sat in with the band and played through my rig. The cabs were fine and apart from making them sound like they never sound with me (he's in a whole other dimension the way he plays. Very humbling.) he thought they sounded great. And yeah, last weekend we played loud and the Friday night before I posted this we were scary loud and my ears are still ringing. We are now off for a month so hopefully I can heal a little and will reevaluate.
     
  15. Needless to say, indeed, do re-evaluate, and don't mess yourself up. There are lots of ways to avoid problems in this area, and it'll be worth it in the long run.
     
  16. Theonestarchild

    Theonestarchild Artfully lost

    Aug 23, 2005
    North Carolina
    Tinnitus can't be fixed.... Deafness can't be fixed... Don't ************ your hearing.
     
  17. ibz

    ibz

    Apr 14, 2005
    Columbus, OH
    Sad thing is ears never truly heal back to what they once were after excessive damage to them. This deterioration is hard to notice for a lot of peole since it's gradual, but it's effects are still very real.

    Thing is what rock bassist hasn't had their fair share of loud shows. ;) :bassist:
     
  18. The wonderful 'Hearing loss and ear plugs' thread:

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3743


    You know how guitarists are often turning up their amp a couple times a show? Same idea, their ears get fatigued during the night and they can't hear themselves as well so up goes the volume. Your ears might be getting there on a more permanent basis...
     
  19. flash99

    flash99

    Jun 8, 2005
    New York City
    I have a BLB 410 that I bought new in 1995. It's been through over 10 years of regular gigging and it's still going strong. I recetnly switched from an Ampeg SVT 3 Pro that I bought with the cabinet to an Eden WT550. I had been thinking about getting a new cabinet as well but when I plugged the Eden in, it sounded great. If anything, I may get a 1x12 for smaller gigs but the BLB isn't going anywhere right now.
     
  20. ingmar

    ingmar

    Oct 14, 2002
    Normandy, France
    1) I just sold my Trace Elliot GP1215SMX combo with a Celestion 15" + tweeter, 10 years old, the 15" is like new, the tweeter has been hoarse for a few seconds once or twice. Played quite loudly actually.

    2) Eden Nemesis NC210P combo, 4 years old, used & abused, no problems to report

    3) EBS410, two cabs, one 4 years old, the other 1, no problem, but they get used way below their maximum output, both still sound identical.

    The only aging issue I'm aware of is that on older speakers the foam suspension rings tend to fall apart after about 15-20 years. The result is a bad centering of the cone which usually creates more damage if not repaired. Changing the foam yourself is quite difficult, but there are companies out there that do it for you...
     

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