I might be misunderstanding here so i want to make sure i understand your signal. Baritone guitar with a G as your lowest note, that being the same G that i play at the third fret of my standard 4 string bass. You then split the clean signal into 2 effects chains, with one of them gong to a mesa carbine bass head and including a pog that adds 1 octave down. How much volume are you looking for from the cab getting this signal, is there a crossover keeping the high end, 2.5k and up, or if this cab? I'm thinking you definitely want to go tweeterless. Our at least make sure the tweet can be turned off. I might think about an older mesa diezel 2x15. Or a powerhouse 2x15.
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Cab to complement an octave pedal-based bass rig
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+1 to experimenting with the order of effects. Once you get that many tone-benders all piling their thing on top the previous ones things it can get a little wacky. Simply changing the order in relation to signal flow can produce quite different results.
Then of course there's sidechain loops, wet/dry clean blend and a million other geeky, tweaky fun things.
I still wouldn't expect a lot of mids from that cab though. With some manipulation of effects you might end up at "just enough"....or not.
Can try cutting some deep lows and upping the volume a notch to make it seem like more mids by comparison. Use more of any effects that add harmonics, and a bit less of any that have a built in scoop you can't undo.
Then of course there's sidechain loops, wet/dry clean blend and a million other geeky, tweaky fun things.
I still wouldn't expect a lot of mids from that cab though. With some manipulation of effects you might end up at "just enough"....or not.
Can try cutting some deep lows and upping the volume a notch to make it seem like more mids by comparison. Use more of any effects that add harmonics, and a bit less of any that have a built in scoop you can't undo.
If you can do a filtered/side loop/clean blend thing, I'd try running the octaver only on the lowpassed clean part that gets blended to the other effects.
Sorry if you've tried that already, I get a bit lost in all the effects/signal flow options...
Sorry if you've tried that already, I get a bit lost in all the effects/signal flow options...
That is true, but it wouldn't sound dark/muffled to any degree with a normal bass signal! As the OP pointed out it is apparently the POG pedal causing the darkness. FWIW, I never had a lick of trouble cutting through with my M6 or B7K, though neither particularly fit my end tonal goals so I switched 'em out.
To the OP- maybe some blending of the original signal into the bass rig might help some as well? Assuming you are always playing unison lines anyway where both rigs are playing it seems like it wouldn't sound that off... I know with my Octave pedal (IE Subterranea), the blended Clean signal doesn't sound like a separate signal until it's cranked closer to unity. I had a Micro-POG for a bit and remember it having a little latency with the Octave tracking the lower you played, so it might not blend quite as seamlessly as an analog octave, but worth a try (you've probably already tried this though?). You could try just a smidge of the Octave up and an EQ afterward to try to get the most of the mids...
No crossover currently as I don't have room for one and haven't found that much need to keep specific frequencies away from the bass amp. It gets a pretty consistent range of signals. I keep the tweeter all the way off on the HLF. If I turn it up its incredibly harsh and ugly with drive. If I was playing detailed clean stuff I'd use it but it doesn't work well with gain.
I might try turning the dry signal up to see what happens. I tried it a while back and it seemed to be occupying the same space as the guitar rig and it was getting a little too much like an organ sound.
Thanks for all the ongoing advice guys. I think its definitely worth looking into a multi-speaker cab with separate size drivers as part of a solution.
I keep thinking of lemmy or cliff burton here. I think what i might do would be to try to use the bass rig as a sub and get most of your tone from the guitar rig. What are you using on the guitar rig side? A 4x12 and a marshall or variant there of could provide all the mids you need and then have a crossover to your bass rig to keep everything below maybe 200 hz or of the guitar rig and maybe have the bass rig overlap up to around 800hz.
Running both rigs full range is a great way to get muffled mids. Rolls sx21 mini crossover box is only $65 brand new.
I used to do suboctave stuff through the same Ampeg cab (sub-bass only with the OC2 pedal)... It sounded amazing the first month of using it with all the lows but I must've done it too heavily cuz now it sounds muffled. None of the speakers are blown or anything but now it just doesn't handle sub-bass that well anymore.
I used an AccuGroove cabinet with the OC2 on sub-bass only and it sounded incredible, so that's an option for you OP.
I used an AccuGroove cabinet with the OC2 on sub-bass only and it sounded incredible, so that's an option for you OP.
I emailed Don from LDS last night and he had a bunch of good ideas for a 15/6 style cab. Ill have to poke around at home with my bass rig and see if anything has actually happened with the cab or if it was just placement in the practice space that has made it sound muffled lately.
Just be careful. He will build what you ask for, regardless if it is a good idea, and has a history of taking a few liberties. Just make sure you know what you want, and that it is a good idea, and ask for that.
+1. Used to use a Whappo Jr. with a Boss OC2. Subs for days!
Very strongly considering a new AccuGroove cab now that they're back in business.
