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Can the pentatonic save you in a jam!?!

YES ... sort off .. !

penta & chord root/notes & all 8 key/scale notes ... with fairly straight type chords , this would work fine ...

using key of G ... start penta/scale/mode on chord root ... don't forget Arps ( just broken chords )

accidentals , sharps/flats, not in the natural G major scale , would work as Passing or Leading tones ...

Penta = 5 notes , regular scale = 8 notes ... there's only 12 notes , so any ' mistake ' will easily resolve by moving up or down a 1/2 step ... !!! viola - i meant that .. !
 
You have to play the changes. The idea that you can find a scale in what ever key, and just play all over that scale, IME, doesn't really work. Like many guys have said, lead players can kind of get away with this - but even they have to play the right parts of the scale over the chord changes. If they play a "wrong" note, it's easy for them to kind of bend it, or slide up to a "right" note. If you hit a "wrong" note, it just sound like a big ole wrong note.

An example from a blues jam that I saw the other day - Song is Keep Your Hands To Yourself. Key of A. Pretty simple. This guitar player, is just playing his A pentatonic blues scale all over the song. It's a blues song, with a blues I-IV-V progression - makes sense and should work, right? Well, kind of. He's playing a minor scale, and the song is kind of more a major sounding thing. So it works over some of the chords, but it just doesn't sound right over other chords.

If you go to a jam,, IMO, guys should pick songs that everyone knows, OR that are easy enough you can play it without knowing it. That's why blues jams, and songs that have have I-IV-V progressions are so popular. But that doesn't always happen. I was at a blues jam a while back, and this guy gets up to do a song, I ask what key (it's in G), and I ask if there are any funny chords (meaning anything that's not a I, IV, or V). He says, "oh, it starts on the two, you'll follow." Well, the guitar player then leans over and says, there's a "church turnaround" (meaning a VI-II-V-I progression). Here we go...

My best advice, is keep going to jams, keep it simple, listen, and focus on playing the changes (providing a tonal foundation for the band). In what ever Key you are in, you should know what the I-IV-V chords are (most common),, and then probably also know where the II and VI chords are (next most common). If you hit the root note of any one of those chords, you will be just fine.

If you train your ear, by listening and practicing, going to jams, etc... you will start to hear when guys are playing major or minor chords (happens a lot with the II and VI chords). Then you can play your major and minor pentatonic scales over those chords and now you are doing fills, and melody lines, walking, etc... Over time, you will also start to hear common patters (like the "church turnaround") recognize them, and you will be ready to play them when you hear them. It takes time and practice.

IME, there is usually (hopefully) someone at a jam who can tell you or flash you a number. Watch and follow that guy. BUT, if you are playing a note that doesn't sound right, and that guy flashes you two fingers, it's up to you to know what the II chord is in what ever key you are in.

Just keep at it.
 
Hey Guys,

So if you you find yourself in a jam session and a song comes up for which you don't know the chord changes, but the keyboard guy gives you the key or you figure it out yourself. Would it be OK to just to grab the pentatonic scale of the same key that the song is in and make up bassline that will work across the chord changes throughout the entire song? For example, if the song is in G major with only the 1,4,5 chords, can you use the G major pentatonic scale to make a bassline that will work for all major chords irrespective of when/where they appear in the song?

Cougar
as long as you're aware the key your on is mayor or minor it should get you by .
Just for simplicity
minor pentatonic /minor key
mayor pentatonic / mayor key
of course soloing especially in jazz if you know your way around you'll figure out either way ..
 
If you really have to add some sort of bottom end and you are totally and hopelessly lost, you can't go wrong by turning the tone knob all the way down and hit a series of staccato "notes" in unison with the kick drum. No note is better than the wrong one. At least you filled in the low register with something and kept the rhythm going (two out of three ain't bad). The chord progression will just have to fend for itself until you can figure out where you are. Hope this helps.
 
A different idea for keeping going when you're confused: pluck dead (muted) notes. While you're muting, you can maybe figure out changes and line. Musicians will know you're fudging, but at least you're not killing the song.

So this is a cheat - sort of like saying "uh" when you're speaking - not best practice, but it might be a way to get back on track.

I'd like to hear from my betters about this.

Was gonna suggest the exact same thing: play the roots you can immediately nail, and help the time and groove density with ghost notes until you assimilate more of the tune.
 
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If you can't recognize the I-IV-V by ear, then the solution is to just look at the (rhythm)guitarist's hands. Assuming he/she knows the song that's preferable to pentatonic noodling.
Plus 1 for the above. Should (no make that when) I lose my place, I have used that for years. Course it helps if you two play rhythm guitar and can recognize the fingering patterns used for specific chords.
 
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Best way to survive when lost until you find familiar territory is,
Root - V

Discussion with the keyboardist in my current band.
He played bass for 10 years.
We were learning a new and relatively complex song and he said he used play the song as a bass player in a band.
Cool, how'd you play it?
"Uh, just played root and 5th"
...thanks for the insight, lol

So, it really is true. Some people can play just root and 5th and skate by.

I rarely play Root - V unless it's county or I'm hopelessly lost.
 
Best way to survive when lost until you find familiar territory is,
Root - V

Discussion with the keyboardist in my current band.
He played bass for 10 years.
We were learning a new and relatively complex song and he said he used play the song as a bass player in a band.
Cool, how'd you play it?
"Uh, just played root and 5th"
...thanks for the insight, lol

So, it really is true. Some people can play just root and 5th and skate by.

I rarely play Root - V unless it's county or I'm hopelessly lost.


Surely, the keyboardist means roots and 5ths of the different chords being played, rather than pedaling on the root and 5th of the key all the way through the song.

Cougar
 
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At least not if you play anything like Roger Waters, it couldn't save him even if his life depended on it:



The chromatic scale never fails though, just pick out whichever notes you like from it that fits the jam and your good!