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Carl Thompson vs. Pete Hilton basses.

Nov 14, 2003
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Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amplification, Sadowsky, D.Markley, Spector
Its not really a contest, because nowadays, Pete is building for both companies. I live in Nashville and frequently visit Brian at the Low End. Im seriously lusting over these two basses. Of course I would love to hear your CT stories. I dont expect there to be too many Pete Hilton stories, but I will be happy to share my thoughts.
The Low End has 2 Pete Hiltons, with a 3rd on the way this week, and a Slick Used Carl Thompson 4 in stock right now. There is something to be said about holding a real CT bass, and the one he has now is no exception. Beautiful, well taken care-of for a used bass, and the sound and feel are to die for. $ Price Tag, which I wont mention, because Im sure Brian will tell you if you would like to know, is just a little pricey, but with Carl, its a lifetime investment.
As for the Pete Hilton Basses, I actually like these a little better, and they certainly are more affordable. As Im a player, and not a collector, I cant justify paying that much for something that I want to take on the road, and use on a daily basis, so the Pete Hilton's make more sense to me. The 4 string 32" scale plays just as nice as the 36" scale CT, sounds similar, is just as light weight, just as beautiful, and much more economical. My pick is the Hilton 4, now to just get loan to go through. Yeah right! Just dreaming.
 
Ive had the good fortune to own a LOT of basses, from $100 to $5000. If I really wanted to get one of them, I could, but Im a little smarter these days with GAS and money and all of that. Plus, even though Im higher up on the totem pole as a musician these days, Im making less money currently, go figure.
As for multi-thousand dollar basses, a couple of years ago, I had 2 Fodera Emperor's, both with Buckeye Tops and Ebony Boards. At the same time, I had an NYC Sadowsky 24/5, and a Fodera New Std. Victor Wooten 4. The Fodera's were $5000 each, the Sadowsky was $2800, and the Fodera 4 was $3200. I had $15,000 tied up in basses and got more complements on my $200 Danelectro Longhorn Reissue. Honestly! It is in your fingers, and comes from your heart. But I do appreciate the artistry, and the exquisite detailing of the CT and Hilton basses.
 
both guys basses are absolutly worth it. buy em both!

ive played petes basses and have nothing but awesome things to say about them. Pete is a great artist and it shows in his work. These are some of his first instruments but the quality is the best I've ever seen. pete does build for Carl so they instruments are going to be similar. I also can say anything negative about carls basses and there is alot to be said about the investment in one. but there is also alot to be said to having one of petes first 10 or so instuments in terms of investment. petes basses could become the next "carl thompson" in terms of sought-afterness. you wont be disapointed with either bass.


Edit: the low end just got two more of petes basses. the cocabola bass is the is the most amazing instrument ive ever played so HANDS OFF! ITS MINE! :D
 
Both builders make some of the best basses, even though I'm guessing, since I never played one of Pete's basses. I do know that Pete is quick on answering emails, and a really nice guy to deal with.

-ScottM
 
many of carl's former apprentices now build on their own and their stuff doesn't get the same love as carl's. i think pete's stuff looks amazing and i imagine the quality is all there. however, a carl thompson will always be a carl thompson - no matter who was working in the shop at the time. pete's work hasn't seen the test of time...yet. you never know if people will care about pete's basses down the road, but we know that people will always be interested in carl's work.
 
Jacochops picking up line 5.....

I can't speak for the Hilton basses...I have played many CT basses, and they are great basses. I can't dig on the over 35" scales, though. BUT....I can tell you Mike Browne's basses, FOR ME, fit. They sound GREAT, play unreal, have a very CT-like feel, and they are a steal...Mike should charge 4K and up, but he's relatively new on the scene. He also is one of the nicest cats out there....a real pleasure to deal with, and cares more than most. That's why I play his basses. And I have owned darn near EVERONE'S basses. The only ones that do it for me as much as Mike's basses are Nordstrands, R Basses, Foderas, and Ken Lawrences. That's some mighty tall cotton there, folks!

Mine are 33 1/2" scale, and I haven't played a bass that I can dig on as much as these....YET! But...I'm always lookin'! :D
 
Jacochops picking up line 5.....

I can tell you Mike Browne's basses, FOR ME, fit. They sound GREAT, play unreal, have a very CT-like feel, and they are a steal...Mike should charge 4K and up, but he's relatively new on the scene. He also is one of the nicest cats out there....a real pleasure to deal with, and cares more than most. That's why I play his basses. ... Mine are 33 1/2" scale, and I haven't played a bass that I can dig on as much as these....YET! But...I'm always lookin'! :D

Jacochops - I just ordered 2 used Browne Gnome basses from Brian at The Low End - I think at least one of these (the fretless) once belonged to you. Anyway, I should have them in my greedy little hands within a couple days, and I can't wait to check them out. They will be a neat addition to my CT-descendants collection, which currently consists of a gorgeous but lonely Hilton 4 string.

Incidentally the Hilton is just a masterpiece. I have long been an avid Sadowsky fan, and I still think Roger makes the best J and P-style basses on the planet. But if you're looking for something different and a little more unique, the CT-inspired basses by builders like Pete Hilton and Mike Browne are totally different, and thoroughly wonderful.

Last night I played my Sadowsky NYC P/J for about an hour, then picked up the Hilton. The Sadowsky has absolutely thunderous low end, incredible sustain, and it cops modern and vintage P and J tones like nobody's business. In these categories, it gets no competition from the Hilton.

But the Hilton is right up there with the Sadowsky in terms of playability and comfort - in fact it's actually a little more comfortable IMHO due to its super light weight. And for fleet, stacatto finger-style runs, I much prefer the Hilton's slightly shorter scale. And the Hilton's tone, via a single Kent Armstrong pup with volume, tone and 3-way toggle, is really unique. Perhaps slightly closer to a J than P, but really in a world of its own. Harmonics bounce off the board. Notes are so pristine and precise that they make my Sadowsky playing sound relatively sloppy. When you can hear yourself playing better with one bass over another ... well, there's just something so right about it. Absolute joy!

I fully expect the Brownes to measure up to my Hilton, and will post my experience after giving these Brownes the attention they deserve!
 
I owned both of those basses. I spec'ed them out from the boards up...man, are YOU ever in for a treat!! :D Enjoy them...both very special basses, plus Mike Browne is one of the nicest cats you'll ever meet. That fretless has IT going on...you'll see! :p The fretted is FAST under the fingers, and very punchy.

Enjoy them...I already miss them!
 
So is Brian at The Low End right about Mike Browne not making any more custom basses right now? I'm guessing that is going to just be a temporary thing?

When I ordered these Gnomes, I spoke with Brian. He said that he and Mike are partnering up to focus on the MBD line. Whether and to what extent Mike will continue to build custom basses, I just don't know.

asg618, you have 2 amazing basses en route to you sir! Those are gorgeous!

Thanks! Yeah, I can't wait to see them in person. Buying instruments online is crazy - you never know if it's a good fit until you get them in your hands!
 
Well, the Browne fretted and fretless arrived on Friday afternoon and I had the weekend to enjoy them. Here are my initial thoughts:

1. Wow!

2. I've played/owned dozens of basses from a host of makers, including Sadowsky, Modulus, Warwick, Fender, Gibson, Tobias, Rickenbacker, G&L, and Ritter. When I bought a Pete Hilton bass, it was my first Carl Thompson-inspired bass and I was blown away. It was by far the lightest electric bass I ever picked up (I never weighed it, but if it's over 6 pounds I'd be shocked). But it's no light-weight in the tone department. The passive electronics are simple - 1 volume, 1 tone, and a 3-way mini-toggle for mute, series, and parallel on the single Kent Armstrong pickup. And within that user-friendly circuit is a world of tone, from deep P-bass like thud to bright and snappy J attack. Add a super fast neck and 24-frets and I think in anyone's hands, the Hilton has alot going for it. Not to mention the woodwork craft - that it's stunningly beautiful is just icing on the cake!

3. With that background I was eager to see how the Brownes compared:

a. The first thing I noticed was the quality of the woodwork - as with the Hilton, these basses are just amazing eye candy. It's hard to imagine ever getting tired of looking at them! The fretless, in particular, with its pink ivory lined fingerboard and matching pickup covers, is one of the most beautiful basses I've ever seen, much less owned.

b. Picking them up out of the case, I was a little surprised at how much heavier they are than the Hilton. The bodies are noticably larger than the Hilton as well, but certainly not too large or uncomfortable. I didn't weigh these either, but each is at least 1.5 pounds heavier in my view than the Hilton. I'd guess they are in the range of 7-8 pounds vs. the Hilton at 5-6 pounds. Certainly more than manageable! I've had basses that weighed close to 11 pounds, so the 7-8 pound range is still very light!

c. Next I plugged in. I went with the fretted first, because comparing that to my Hilton was more apples to apples. But not really - the Browne has an active circuit, specifically an Aguilar 3-band preamp working a pair of Nordstrand Js. I'm not 100% sure how the electronics are configured, but after some tweaking I decided to set my amp EQ flat and make the onboard pre-amp do all the work. And that, I think, is the ticket with this bass. In short order I was getting phenomenal J-style tones out of the Browne. And unlike the Hilton, the Browne is terrific for a slap 'n pop. Tweaking the onboard EQ really brought the funk - from Stanley Clarke to Larry Graham to Flea - this bass was covering alot of my favorite funk tonal ground. And a more vintage finger-style sound was also easily obtained by dialing down the Bass and Mids to around 10 o'clock, while keeping the Treble just below noon and slightly favoring the neck pup. This yielded a very rich, thick vintage J-bass sound. With those same settings, except blending to slightly favor the neck pup, I was able to find P-Bass-like tone that was great for major Motown riffage.

d. In all, the fretted quickly won me over. Great looks, a quick neck, and a host of active tonal possibilities make it a keeper. It is also distinct enough from the Hilton to justify my keeping both, at least for now. What it comes down to is this: the Hilton is lighter and simpler to operate, and lends itself to more vintage, organic tones; while the Browne is active and primed for more aggressive, modern tones, with slap-styles being a real forte for it. I like the look of the Hilton better, but not by much. And you get what you pay for -- the Hilton had many more wood options, and was thus more expensive.

d. On to the fretless. What can I say? I may have found the ultimate fretless bass for me. Aside from the sheer beauty of this bass, she plays like butter and can sound like every fretless tone I've every admired. Jaco. Mark Egan. Tony Grey. Manring. Those are the tones I hear in my head when I think about fretless bass, and I was able to dial in those tones amazingly well on this bass. Like the fretted, it has 2 Nordstrand Js, but the preamp is an Audere and it comes with a 3-way mini-toggle. I haven't quite figured out what each control exactly does, but I have played with different variations for hours. Simply put, whatever the setting, the bass sounds as great as it looks - best of breed, phenomenal, world class! Not much left to say!


What I'm finding is that for me, I'm lately more interested in something a little different from the mainstream J, P, and MusicMan basses that I've played and loved for years.

I appreciate fine woodwork, and feel like it inspires me to pick up a bass and play.

I appreciate the "wow" factor. When someone sees my bass, acknowledges that they haven't seen anything like it before, and immediately wants to know all about it, I just freakin' love the experience of sharing my joy with them!

I appreciate a slightly smaller scale bass. I believe the Hilton is 32" and the Gnomes are 33.5". As a 25+ year guitar player, the slightly shorter scale translates to easier playability for me. I can play faster and more comfortably, which builds confidence and makes me practice even more.

Finally, I really like supporting small builders who are coming up through the ranks with something to prove. These guys are in it because they love it and because they think they have something to contribute. Their vision and talent is as inspiring as the instruments they create. Even if their builds are based on those who came before, well these days whose aren't? I'd love to support as many of these guys as I can so they continue doing what they do!

If any of the above rings true with you, too, you'll be impressed by the instruments being built by Pete Hilton and Mike Browne. Though expensive, they are absolute killers in every department. It's hard for me to imagine ever parting with the 3 I've not got!

Hope the above is interesting and food for thought for those following this thread!