carlsson vs Nyman what are the differences if any?

Discussion in 'Bows and Rosin [DB]' started by luisraulmunoz, Jul 7, 2013.

  1. Hello, I would like to know what is the consensus regarding these two rosins. Some claim that nyman is harder than the carlsson, some people claim they are exactly the same thing with a different name for marketing reasons.
    I would love to hear your views.

  2. I'm pretty sure Nyman renamed to Carllsson when selling in the US, to sound more Swedish. I've never heard of Carlsson ever, exept from american players writing about it here. Nyman is very common here though (along with pops) - It's actually from a player at the Royal Stockholm Opera.
  3. That makes perfect sense to me. Question settled, thanks!
  4. That seems strange to me... If they're the same thing, why are they both marketed and sold in the US under different names? Why would they export both here to the US?

    Are there any rosin experts or importers on TB who can chime in on this? I'm also curious, though I use mostly Pops.
  5. Mark Gollihur

    Mark Gollihur Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 19, 2000
    Mullica Hill, NJ
    Owner/President, Gollihur Music LLC
    They are different. (Though they are reportedly by the same manufacturer, Nyman Hart).

    People who have used both usually compare them thusly:

    Nyman's has a higher melting temperature and is a bit "harder", though it can have a slightly "stickier" sort of feel when you run your finger over the cake.

    Carlsson is softer, and gets more sticky when temperatures are warm (even a little goopy in high heat, especially if you leave it in your bag in the car). So some people use Nyman's during the summer months, and switch to Carlsson's when it gets cooler.

    And as you can see, it's not a simple matter of rebadging, either - even the rosin foil cups are a different size and design.


    I guess it's just one of those situations where the manufacturer decided to have different names for the different grades of rosin, rather than having a so-called "summer" and "winter" or "all-weather"/"hard"/"soft" designation. Not unlike the Innovation strings (Silver Slaps are basically light-gauge Super Silvers, etc.)
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  6. Thanks Mark!
  7. Its certainly a fact that the manufacturer is the same but I think its odd that if they are really different they wouldn't sell both in Sweden.

    I have the impression that in Europe Nyman is more common than Carlsson, according to my personal experience while I lived there (in Switzerland mostly) I dont remember seeing many people using Carlsson there, it was mostly Pops or Nyman.

    I have heard the claim that Nyman is somewhat harder. I have used both at one time or another but was not able to detect the difference since I would need to have both and test them symultaneously in the same weather conditions to be sure.

    also there is a thread in which Thomas Martin is quoted as saying that they are the same thing, I will try to search for this post in the forum and link it...
  8. this is the quote from another thread by forum user "Monte":

  9. possibly Nyman-labeled cakes are harder because they take a longer route from Sweden to the US? Honestly I have no idea, I just pulled this idea out of my...
  10. MostlyBass


    Mar 3, 2002
    Oak Park, IL
    They are both great rosins although I feel like they're in the same category as opposed to Pops or Oak. Where I teach I order Nyman and Pops so students can try each. I do order more Pops as its cheaper but dries out quicker.
  11. Mark Gollihur

    Mark Gollihur Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 19, 2000
    Mullica Hill, NJ
    Owner/President, Gollihur Music LLC
    Plus, as similar as they are, you'd need different bows and basses, I should think. There would be too much build up of one to discern a difference with the other.

    I'd think the best idea would be to get the information directly from the manufacturer. I don't get our rosin from the manufacturer, it's all handled through distributors. I'll see what I can find out...
  12. MostlyBass


    Mar 3, 2002
    Oak Park, IL
    Take a toothbrush and brush the hair to get old rosin off.
  13. I use a metal-bristled paint scraping brush to clean sticky rosin out of the hair, but it takes weeks to really "play out" a brand of rosin entirely, especially sticky brands (Kolstein soft, Pops, Oak soft).

    I hate it when luthiers "powder" fresh bow hair. It takes forever to play that garbage out...
  14. Don Higdon

    Don Higdon In Memoriam

    Dec 11, 1999
    Princeton Junction, NJ
    Overkill, potentially dangerous. Use an old toothbrush.
  15. Interesting discussion, thanks everyone, Im sure we will get to the bottom of this mystery!

    From Mark's previous post we can see that Nyman is indeed a larger sized cake so if they really are the same then Nyman would be the better choice price being the same...

    Of course we are all speculating but from my view Martin's original perspective might well be correct since it makes sense from a marketing perspective. Its certainly better for a manufacturer to have two products out in the market even if they are the essentially the same thing. And they are good products, a really excellent alternative to the stickier Pops and other softer rosins...

    I like Pops but here in Puerto Rico its very problematic since just having it for a few minutes in your car will easily melt it, so its not so good unless your bass and bow are constantly air conditioned.
    So recently I was using a Carlsson rosin which is more stable than Pops and now I am experimenting with the Oak medium and Oak soft plus. In terms of stickyness the Carlsson is stickier than oak medium but smoother than oak soft plus so in the end it might be the better choice and I might go back to using it here...
  16. Mark Gollihur

    Mark Gollihur Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 19, 2000
    Mullica Hill, NJ
    Owner/President, Gollihur Music LLC
    Still trying to find out. I sent an email to Nyman-Harts; and another one to my distributor. My distributor actually says that they suspect that they are the same, and historically the manufacturer is tight-lipped. We'll see.

    In the meantime, in the somewhat under-used "product reviews" right here on Talkbass, one of the three items under the "Rosins and Misc Setup" happens to be for Nyman, and I find these comments (all the way back to 2005) interesting:

  17. I've been using Nyman's and Carlsson's for nearly 20 years now. In all honesty, I'm sure some people may notice a slight difference-- personally, I haven't, so I pretty much use them interchangeably. They're dark. They're sticky. They both melt easily in a hot car (as I have found out the hard way on multiple occasions).

    Most importantly, at least in my amateur repertoire (symphony, chamber, and "Pops"), they both get the job done admirably!
  18. vitoliuzzi


    Dec 7, 2003
    South Italy
    Thomas Martin has told me that they are the same !! I don't think so. IMHO Carlsson has much grip than Nyman.
  19. I've used both and could never tell the difference.
  20. Thomas Schmidt

    Thomas Schmidt

    Mar 4, 2020