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Carolkaye.com

#41
Been a member on her site for years. Anyone who is wanting to be a better musican would be very wise to discard any negativity toward her and just dig into what she has to offer as an educator and major contributor to music history.

"Kaye isn't anywhere in their league."

This is just a stupid thing to say. Not one of the people you mention has been on more recordings, hit recordings and/or movie scores. For the record, I have no doubt that CK played on what she says she played on in one form or another at some point in her amazing career.

Get on with being a better musician.

Bob
 
#42
plangentmusic said:
Carol Kaye is a strange bird. She played on dozens of recordings and hit songs but somewhere along the way she seems to THINK she played on everything. The truth is she did a few big hits and lots of "B" side recordings. She wasn't quite in the league of Joe Osborne or James Jamerson.

It's kinda like Bernard Purdy claiming to have played on Abby Road. It's wacko. He still insists he did though. And people believe him. They figure that since they're such prestigious personalities, why would they have a need to "pad" their resume'? Who knows? But they're lying nonetheless. Or confused.

I think Carol may be bitter for never getting any royalties for "The Beat Goes On" -- which I think is deserved since that bass line is so much of the song.

And the bass part in Good Vibrations was written by Brian Wilson (he's bass player, you know) but Carol performed it.

She's a competent professional studio player from that era, but honestly ...there's nothing I've heard that suggests she's especially extraordinary.
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?????

Carol Kaye was a first-call bassist and session player in LA while Jamerson wasn't really able to establish himself as one of the cat there at the time.So she was really on top of her game as a musician and a mother at the same time (!).

Plus, arrangers and composers at Motown were writing bass charts for Jamerson and simpler versions for the sub in case Jamerson wouldn't show up for the sessions. So, JJ was reading most of his basslines TOO.

Please find better excuses before bringing someone down. If you don't like her, fine, but this is a thread about her free site which seems to appeal to a lot of people, mind you !!
 
#44
slybass3000 said:
?????

Carol Kaye was a first-call bassist and session player in LA while Jamerson wasn't really able to establish himself as one of the cat there at the time.So she was really on top of her game as a musician and a mother at the same time (!).

Plus, arrangers and composers at Motown were writing bass charts for Jamerson and simpler versions for the sub in case Jamerson wouldn't show up for the sessions. So, JJ was reading most of his basslines TOO.

Please find better excuses before bringing someone down. If you don't like her, fine, but this is a thread about her free site which seems to appeal to a lot of people, mind you !!
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That's B.S. I never put her down or said I didn't like her.
 
#45
plangentmusic said:
That's B.S. I never put her down or said I didn't like her.
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Let see about that !!!




plangentmusic said:
Carol Kaye is a strange bird.
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????

plangentmusic said:
She played on dozens of recordings and hit songs but somewhere along the way she seems to THINK she played on everything.
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She played on hundreds of hits. Go check for yourself

plangentmusic said:
The truth is she did a few big hits and lots of "B" side recordings. She wasn't quite in the league of Joe Osborne or James Jamerson.
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That is not up to her to decide what will be a A side or a B side. A lot of B sides are totally great tunes actually. She was way up there on top of the list as a first-call in LA, the toughest town for musicians.

plangentmusic said:
It's kinda like Bernard Purdy claiming to have played on Abby Road. It's wacko. He still insists he did though. And people believe him. They figure that since they're such prestigious personalities, why would they have a need to "pad" their resume'? Who knows? But they're lying nonetheless. Or confused.
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I guess saying that someone is a liar, crazy, confused or whacko is a good way for you to described somebody that you respect (???)

plangentmusic said:
I think Carol may be bitter for never getting any royalties for "The Beat Goes On" -- which I think is deserved since that bass line is so much of the song.

And the bass part in Good Vibrations was written by Brian Wilson (he's bass player, you know) but Carol performed it.
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Did she tell you that personally??? Every studio musician at some point in their career did bring something creative on certain songs that made them a hit with their input without getting the credit for it. It is the nature of our job and she knows it I believe.

Jamerson too,did read a lot of basslines from the arrangers of Motown also. Why is it so bad for her and not JJ???


I think there is enough things you said about her to make me think you are the BS at denying the fact that you brought her down in your comments.
 
#46
bassdog said:
Been a member on her site for years. Anyone who is wanting to be a better musican would be very wise to discard any negativity toward her and just dig into what she has to offer as an educator and major contributor to music history.

"Kaye isn't anywhere in their league."

This is just a stupid thing to say. Not one of the people you mention has been on more recordings, hit recordings and/or movie scores. For the record, I have no doubt that CK played on what she says she played on in one form or another at some point in her amazing career.

Get on with being a better musician.

Bob
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Thank you
 
#47
plangentmusic said:
Who do I think is extraordinary?


James Jamerson

Chris Squire

Steve Harris

Anthony Jackson

Jeff Berlin

Joe Osborne

Scott LaFaro

Paul McCartney

Neils Pederson

Glen Cornick

Stanley Clarke

Milt Hinton

Greg Lake

Leo Lyons

Felix Papalardi

Stu Hamm

Pino Paladino

Gary Thain

John Entwistle

Rocco Prestia

John Onder

Louis Johnson

John Paul Jones

Mel Schacter

Bootsy Collins

About 3 guys in Gentle Giant

Tommy Shannon

Bob Babbit

Billy Sheehan

Jaco Pastorius


To name a few.

Kaye isn't anywhere in their league.

And then there are about a thousand other people no one has ever heard of.

I think Carol is competent, for sure. I'm not saying she sucks. Just, nothing....you know -- extraordinary.
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Wha?!?!

Seriously, Carol might not have virtuoso chops like some players (not that she cares) but why don't you ask Marco Panascia how good of a bass player Carol Kaye is?

You are so out of school here with your remarks that Carol is not in the same league as these guys, I'd love to hear half of the guys you mentioned here walk and solo through changes as well as Carol. :rollno:

You might want to delete your post...oh too late, I just quoted it.
 
#48
slybass3000 said:
Let see about that !!!






????



She played on hundreds of hits. Go check for yourself



That is not up to her to decide what will be a A side or a B side. A lot of B sides are totally great tunes actually. She was way up there on top of the list as a first-call in LA, the toughest town for musicians.



I guess saying that someone is a liar, crazy, confused or whacko is a good way for you to described somebody that you respect (???)



Did she tell you that personally??? Every studio musician at some point in their career did bring something creative on certain songs that made them a hit with their input without getting the credit for it. It is the nature of our job and she knows it I believe.

Jamerson too,did read a lot of basslines from the arrangers of Motown also. Why is it so bad for her and not JJ???


I think there is enough things you said about her to make me think you are the BS at denying the fact that you brought her down in your comments.
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I stand by everything I said. It's all true.
 
#49
mstott25 said:
Wha?!?!

Seriously, Carol might not have virtuoso chops like some players (not that she cares) but why don't you ask Marco Panascia how good of a bass player Carol Kaye is?

You are so out of school here with your remarks that Carol is not in the same league as these guys, I'd love to hear half of the guys you mentioned here walk and solo through changes as well as Carol. :rollno:

You might want to delete your post...oh too late, I just quoted it.
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You asked. I answered. You disagree? Fine.
 
#52
#54
That is a great resource-thanks for sharing!
Like a lot of players of my generation, I learned out of Carol's books. Her bass clinic was one of the first ones I attended (way back in 1972). I took some lessons from her in 1985 when I was already a working player doing TV and record dates, etc. Simply put, she's "the Real Deal". She's also a good friend and great talent.
I can't recommend her site and educational materials highly enough. +1x1000
FWIW, plangentmusic, I was John Onder's bass teacher at one time.....FYI;)
As far as Carol's lines vs. Jamerson's lines, you'll notice that Carol plays busy throughout her lines (check out "Hickey Brrrr" by Quincy Jones and Bill Cosby for Bill's 60s TV show) while James typically will save the busy parts of his lines for the back couple of beats in each measure. James was working as the house bassist in Motown's studio in Detroit (aka The Snake Pit) while Carol was working with Phil Spector, Sonny Bono, Brian Wilson and too many others to mention in LA along with other great 60s players like Joe Osborne and the late, great Larry Knechtel. At the time they were all great players who were so busy working that they didn't realize they were making musical history and opening the doors the rest of us walked through.
I highly recommend checking out both Standing in the Shadows of Motown (DVD) and The Wrecking Crew (although Carol doesn't really like this movie). They're both fascinating looks back at this era of the Music Biz and studio work.
 
#55
Roy Vogt said:
That is a great resource-thanks for sharing!
Like a lot of players of my generation, I learned out of Carol's books. Her bass clinic was one of the first ones I attended (way back in 1972). I took some lessons from her in 1985 when I was already a working player doing TV and record dates, etc. Simply put, she's "the Real Deal". She's also a good friend and great talent.
I can't recommend her site and educational materials highly enough. +1x1000
FWIW, plangentmusic, I was John Onder's bass teacher at one time.....FYI;)
As far as Carol's lines vs. Jamerson's lines, you'll notice that Carol plays busy throughout her lines (check out "Hickey Brrrr" by Quincy Jones and Bill Cosby for Bill's 60s TV show) while James typically will save the busy parts of his lines for the back couple of beats in each measure. James was working as the house bassist in Motown's studio in Detroit (aka The Snake Pit) while Carol was working with Phil Spector, Sonny Bono, Brian Wilson and too many others to mention in LA along with other great 60s players like Joe Osborne and the late, great Larry Knechtel. At the time they were all great players who were so busy working that they didn't realize they were making musical history and opening the doors the rest of us walked through.
I highly recommend checking out both Standing in the Shadows of Motown (DVD) and The Wrecking Crew (although Carol doesn't really like this movie). They're both fascinating looks back at this era of the Music Biz and studio work.
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Thanks for your input. Nice to have some perspective as it's easy to judge from the place we are now and to forget that these players had no such experience to gain from.

Is 'The Wrecking Crew' in any kind of general release yet? I've only sen a few interview out-takes so far, and some festival screenings mentioned.
 
#56
I wish it were! They had it on exhibition at the Musician's Hall of Fame before it was displaced by the Nashville Convention Center.
Here's the website:
http://www.wreckingcrew.tv/
There is a screening on Jan. 16th at NAMM.
A bit of trivia, the filmmaker is Denny Tedesco (son of the late LA Studio Guitar Giant Tommy Tedesco). He was the Steadicam operator on this video I did in LA in the 80s:

The record company reshot it in NYC at The Ritz about 3 months later.
 
#57
This thread was a waste, almost. Ive read through it and realized that there's 15 minutes of my life I'll never see again. All this bickering about Carol should be transferred over to the "Bassists Thread". The original info/link to her lessons site is whats being presented here, and I loved it:). But all the other nonsense (probably including my post about all the other nonsense) is crapola. Save it guys, or transfer it, please. Thankyou.
 
#58
Yes, she is an incredible player/teacher. My style is what it is due to her teaching, and with Jamerson lines stuck in my head since childhood. Unfortunately, she kicked me off the forum when I posted that Uriel Jones, (Funk Brothers drummer), had passed away and she deleted it off the forum. I sent her an e-mail about it and she was rambling on about the Jamerson controversy with Motown, blah, blah, blah. Being a Detroit Boy, I told her I grew up with Motown as the soundtrack to my youth and was vehemently defending the honor of James Jamerson..........that's when she kicked me off and pretty much told me to go screw myself.
 

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