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Carry too much $ the police will take it!!!!

#122
Looks like we agree on more than we disagree. :hyper:

Prison should suck. It shouldn't be more comfortable and have greater amenities than the hovel one calls home. There's a great deterrent...

CARNIVAL CRUISES presents SING SING special. :confused:

Judges sentences should be carried out. How frustrating it must be for the popo to still be filling out the paperwork & Joe Schmoe is flippin' 'em the bird through the window on his way to mug an old lady & score. :mad:

Good behavior? Cut a bit of slack for incentive but nothing like these chumps getting out after less than 25% time served. :eyebrow:
 
#123
I still think that the police should get a warrant before taking ANYTHING of mine. So what if it is suspicious if I have 20k in my car- it's his job to prove that I got it illegally, not mine to prove that I got it out of my bank 20 mins ago. Suspicion, IMO, is never enough for this. Reasonable doubt, yes, but just because of my skin color or the car I drive or what I wear or the neighborhood I might be in at the time should not be cause for them taking my stuff, no matter how valuable.

Even if this means that drug dealers get away with it more often than not, it's better than infringing on the rights of the common guy IMO. Yes, it makes it harder for the police to catch the real bad guys, but it means that the law-abiding citizen never has to deal with this ****.
 
#124
LowDown Hal said:
Earlier in this thread it was $1500.00

You are clearly GUILTY and obviously up to NO GOOD.
So save yourself the hassle with the police and just send me the cash ;)
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Bait taken, hook set.
:D

I said I received $1500 for the bass. I also did two gigs afterwards, one of which I was paid in cash for. And I didn't say how much I had prior to selling the bass or doing the gigs.
:D

Would a thread on TB serve as proof? I know you guys would vouch for me...
:eyebrow:


who am I kidding? I'll Paypal you the money.
:D
 
#125
hbarcat said:
From the article:

How often money is confiscated from people not charged with crimes is hard to determine, Barile said, but his best guess for his department is that it happens “maybe 10 percent of the time” his department performs a seizure.

Allen County Prosecutor Karen Richards said her office seldom sees forfeitures without criminal charges attached.

Bob Trgovich, assistant U.S. attorney at the local federal court, said it’s not necessarily a rare practice for his office but it does happen, sometimes with more drawn-out cases.

This is something I strongly disagree with. Having huge amounts of unexplained cash should be probable cause for a search for drugs or other contraband, or at least give officers a reason to continue investigating. This means that either illegal activity is uncovered and the money is confiscated and the perpetrators are charged with a crime, or no illegal activity is uncovered, in which case, the persons who were stopped are free to leave with their money.

But to simply confiscate the money on suspicion that it was illegally obtained without determining that to be the case seems to violate due process law.
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Agreed.

Ever read about how confiscated money is disbursed? No motive there.
:hmm:
 
#126
i_got_a_mohawk said:
Another problem here is the police are so swamped in red tape that it often seems like there is very little "genuine good" they can do.

Another issue (IMO) is they have made the prisons far too cusy. Heck, internet access, Sky TV, reasonably good food etc etc. Most of them live better than me!
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No problem. We can easily fix that here. Just don't ask to be deported.
:smug:
 
#127
Wow, those of you that think this was OK really scare me. :eek:

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
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I can carry a million dollars in small bills and it is not anyone's business but mine.

EDIT: I have edited my post as I believe it was too political.
 
#132
I'm still waiting for people to stop "talking the talk" and to start "walking the walk" as it were in their planned revolt against the Government for "taking away rights". A citizen that doesn't exercise their rights is nothing more than a subject. That's what the guns are for right? :D :)

What I gleamed from a quick skim of that Cornell Uni page was that the forfieture laws have been, for the most part, upheld as Constitutional by the courts. Therefore, barring any further findings on the matter, there doesn't appear to be anything illegal about the practice per se. However, individual cases may not be in accordance with the legal contraints put on by the courts.
 
#133
I said it a couple of pages back and I'll say it again... legallities aside, the police are tax collectors first, law enforcement 2nd.
It's all about the money folks and governments need for more. If that wasn't the case, there would be no fines attached to "wrong doing", only time served.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ makes the world go around!
Fishheadjoe
 
#134
bassybill said:
So that was the opinion of the people who wrote those documents. We're not talking laws of physics here.

Clearly there's currently enough scope in your legal system for folks to find ways round that (otherwise this thread wouldn't exist). Your OPINION is that this is a bad thing.

Just saying, is all...
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No, it's my opinion that this is an unConstitutional thing. Good or bad is irrelevant.
 
#135
bassybill said:
But just to play Devil's Advocate a bit more - do you think we should be making it easier for people who are suspected of being bad eggs to get "clean away" with the $$$$? Or more difficult? If the latter, how?
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Neither. We should charge people with crimes and seize assets related to those crimes. It should be easier for government to seize assets in cases of a convictions, and more difficult (actually impossible) in cases of no conviction.
 
#136
Mark Latimour said:
I'm still waiting for people to stop "talking the talk" and to start "walking the walk" as it were in their planned revolt against the Government for "taking away rights". A citizen that doesn't exercise their rights is nothing more than a subject. That's what the guns are for right? :D :)

What I gleamed from a quick skim of that Cornell Uni page was that the forfieture laws have been, for the most part, upheld as Constitutional by the courts. Therefore, barring any further findings on the matter, there doesn't appear to be anything illegal about the practice per se. However, individual cases may not be in accordance with the legal contraints put on by the courts.
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#137
bassybill said:
That's fine in principle. In practice, anybody carrying a million dollars in small bills would be lugging around up to a ton of money (literally; the mass of a $1 bill = 1g; 1,000,000g = 1 metric tonne) and would probably have some 'splaining to do. ;)
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It really shouldn't matter. What if it were in $100 notes? That would work out to be about 10kg. You could fit that in a backpack.
 
#138
Mark Latimour said:
What I gleamed from a quick skim of that Cornell Uni page was that the forfieture laws have been, for the most part, upheld as Constitutional by the courts. Therefore, barring any further findings on the matter, there doesn't appear to be anything illegal about the practice per se. However, individual cases may not be in accordance with the legal contraints put on by the courts.
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I don't think that anyone's arguing that this illegal or has been thrown out by the courts. That's pretty evident since this is a commonplace practice. I do believe that forfeiture laws violate the spirit of the probable cause and due process clauses of the 4th and 5th amendments, respectively, by turning the matter into a civil one instead of a criminal one. Effectively, the owner of the property has very little recourse compared to what he would have if the matter was a criminal one.

Additionally, it seems preposterous that the government can seize government issued cash from you at will. Where is the line drawn? It is by no means illegal to have cash. I believe that the capitalist system of our country encourages people to have as much of it as they can. People take for granted that we have a modern banking system where can store and transfer money electronically and safely. A lot of people don't have access to banks or don't trust them. These are cash only people and there are a lot more out there than you think. These are the people most at risk and the ones need protection from laws like this.
 

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