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Carvin - BRX 10.4

#22
I've owned the GBE1200 and just unloaded the Mesa M9. I think Michael is absolutely correct...they are all in the same ball park. However if I had to choose only one of those amps just mentioned for available power and headroom at 4 ohms I think the edge may have to go to the B2000. I'm not familiar with the 2001RB.
 
#23
Lucky Strike said:
From talking to the guys at Carvin Hollywood, the 410 has the same speakers that GK and Markbass uses the only difference is the cab construction. I would put Carvin's cab construction on these cabs up higher than Markbass or GK...
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GK and Markbass use different speakers, so the guy at Carvin either didn't know what he was talking about, or was just trying to move product.
 
#24
Yeah they definitely don’t use the same speakers as GK, although some of their top-o-line PA cabs use (or used) B + C speakers, which is what Markbass uses.
What do you expect from Hollywood? Most of them voted for Moon Beam Brown! : O
 
#25
Neil said:
I've owned the GBE1200 and just unloaded the Mesa M9. I think Michael is absolutely correct...they are all in the same ball park. However if I had to choose only one of those amps just mentioned for available power and headroom at 4 ohms I think the edge may have to go to the B2000. I'm not familiar with the 2001RB.
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That's a true testament right there because the Carvin only costs $600.00!

:bassist:
 
#26
I've been playing thru a BRX10.4 and BRX10.2 for the last 3 years and these are excellent cabs. They are built very solid, have deep lows, punchy mids and very tight high end. I don't see myself getting anything else anytime soon. They have worked flawlessly over that period on time and I play at least nothing less than twice a week. Simply put you can't beat the price either.:smug:
 
#28
Actually it's 2.35 and that's the 2008 specs, which I'm assuming are still accurate (may not be).

As for your "not acceptable" comment, that sounds like you've never heard the cab because it gets very loud before farting. I turned it up louder than I could bear and it didn't fart.
 
#29
jeff7bass said:
Actually it's 2.35 and that's the 2008 specs, which I'm assuming are still accurate (may not be).

As for your "not acceptable" comment, that sounds like you've never heard the cab because it gets very loud before farting. I turned it up louder than I could bear and it didn't fart.
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A/B it with the non-neo's with the 4mm xmax. It will have a much clearer low end at higher volume, absolutely no question.

2.35mm is way to small for a high-volume bass driver in a 4x10cab.
 
#30
Eric Moesle said:
A/B it with the non-neo's with the 4mm xmax. It will have a much clearer low end at higher volume, absolutely no question.

2.35mm is way to small for a high-volume bass driver in a 4x10cab.
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Eric or Jeff....I'm a Carvin newbe and about us un-technical as one can be. At the risk of sounding totally ignorant can you explain what Xmax is for me please?

Secondly where do you guys find the specs for the Carvin speaker Xmax?

Eric can you tell me what non-new Carvin cab you A/B'd with the BRX10.4? Again being a Carvin newbe I have no idea what you're comparing.

Thanks guys. I'm looking forward to your response.
 
#32
Eric Moesle said:
A/B it with the non-neo's with the 4mm xmax. It will have a much clearer low end at higher volume, absolutely no question.

2.35mm is way to small for a high-volume bass driver in a 4x10cab.
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If the cab is designed to accurately handle the 4 speakers with the higher XMAX, then it’s true.
If that were the case always, then the old Carvin BR410 with ceramics would torch the new BRX10.4, which is not the case.
The BRX10.4 cab therefore must be designed to produce more low-end without the aid of higher XMAX speakers.
In my experience as a gigging bassplayer, it’s always beneficial to back off the bass knob at extreme volume levels anyway to get better sound onstage.
I feel that this is the case for many (not all) gigging bassplayer’s, and those who require more stage volume and low-end usually add a second cab.
Now factor in the cost of a second 410 cab and you’re paying around 2400 bucks for two Uber’s as compared to 1200 bucks for two BRX10.4’s.
I can say without hesitation that a B2000 sitting on top of two BRX10.4’s will suffice in even extreme conditions and one BRx10.4 will suffice in most (like bar giggers).
For some it will be worth it to purchase a high-end 410 for double the price and there’s nothing wrong with that. The Uber’s, Bergie’s and ACME’s are all outstanding.
They’re like BMW’s, Porsche’s, and Jaguar’s compared to the BRX’s Honda. Honda’s are great for the money though, which is why I bought one.
 
#34
Well my BRX10.4 will get delivered today so I'll find out soon whether it can hang with the BMW’s, Porsche’s, and Jaguar’s. I don't have gigs until next week to really put it through its paces and see how it performs under gig situations but I'll be A/B ing tonight against my UBER410. I'll post my comments later this evening. Keep your eyes opened.

ND
 
#35
That’s a cool test there Neil. I don’t expect the Carvin to defeat the Uber by the way, even being the Carvin fanboy I am!! ; )
The B2000 is a Jaguar (for Honda money) but it’s easier (or less expensive) to build the electronics for less than it is speakers/cabinets.
In other words, it’s simply impossible to build and sell the Uber for the cost of the Carvin.
 
#36
Neil said:
Thanks Eric. What other cab did you A/B with the BRX10.4?
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Aguilar GS410, Eden 410XLT, Dr. Bass 3x10, Ampeg 410HLF

I wasn't saying the Carvin is a bad cab (I've owned a Carvin cab and a bunch of other Carvin gear), I'm just saying if you have the option of having Carvin neo's or Carvin non-neo's, the non-neo's have double the xmax and are much better spec'd and would be the way to go.

Carvin treats them as interchangeable within their cabs, so why not go with the driver with the better specs?
 
#37
Well boys and girls after plugging my B2000 into my new BRX10.4 I can tell you I'm very disappointed. Keep in mind my point of comparison is the Genz Benz UBER 410 cab. This quick post does not take into account the fact that the GB cab is more expensive than the BRX. I also don't want to come off as I'm bashing one cab and praising another....it's merely an observation of one cabs sound vs the other.

To my ears the BRX is very middy, sounds boxy, cold and has an unpleasant upper mid which of course is inherent to neo drivers. Somehow Genz Benz has figured a way to tune their cab to eliminate that honky upper mid but I guess that's a subject for another thread. To my ears the BRX lacks warmth. The BRX also farted out way before the UBER cab did.

Bottom line is this...while the BRX may be a great cab for some players I really don't think it's going to work out for me...it's just not my sound. But I still really dig my B2000!
 
#39
Neil said:
I've owned just about all the top brands so we'll see how it compares tonally.

What were the differences in your opinion between your 10.2 and the Berg? By the way which Berg were you comparing it to?
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My most extensive experience was with the old HT 2X10 and 1X15 models, but I've played through some others briefly, and every Berg cab has struck me as the best cab of its particular configuration that I've ever heard. I know that's not terribly scientific...my old stack was tight and could get a great clean, modern, slightly "sterile" sound, but excelled with a big ol tube head as well. The NV215 was everything I liked about my previously favorite 2X15, the Mesa Diesel, but didn't have the old Mesa's trouble with the ultra low end at volume. Etc.

I've not played the Genz Uber series, what I have read leads me to think I may really like them. The Neo 2X12 I tried for a week was not for me, but I like their products and the company a great deal. Sorry the Carvin didn't work out for you, diff'rent strokes and all that. Hope you didn't lose too much on shipping returning it.
 

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