Certainbass "Svelte Bass" Kickstarter

[DavidCertain]

You need to learn the difference between a kickstarter and an ebay listing.

Many expert opinions. Few credentials. Opinions on basses never played and CD's never listened to. Zero credibility. But that's what this forum is known for. Keep slingin' boys!

 

[BassikLee]

And he's back....

 

[Dradder]

I think David's got a point here. There are plenty of successful Kickstarter campaigns where the rewards for supporting the project aren't some quid pro quo, X value of goodies for X amount of dollars kicked in. Plenty of people support these projects just because they want to help bring something cool into existence. There's ten bucks of mine in the Svelte Bass Kickstarter, which of course I don't pay unless the project is fully funded, but if all I get out of it eventually is a thank-you, that's fine by me.

 

[JimmyThunder]

No, you're not alone, there are plenty of you. Who are you, and who do you play with?

Wowwwwwwwwwww.......that's.......

 

[scourgeofgod]

Yeah the kickstarter page is not meant to be a storefront, the rewards are merely an incentive to donate and are priced accordingly. I don't have an issue with that, the belittling of potential donators/customers though....
But what do I know, I'm just a lowly bedroom player these days, it's been years since I played live

 

[JACink]

Who are you, and who do you play with?

And who do you think you are?

 

[JACink]

I bowed out of this conversation, as I had no interest in this particular bass, but I followed the thread as it seemed that Mr. Certain was taking constructive criticism and looked as though he was interested in pleasing customers.

However, that last post dropped him straight off the list of people I would ever be interested in dealing with.

Of that I am Certain.

 

[scourgeofgod]

I bowed out of this conversation, as I had no interest in this particular bass, but I followed the thread as it seemed that Mr. Certain was taking constructive criticism and looked as though he was interested in pleasing customers.

However, that last post dropped him straight off the list of people I would ever be interested in dealing with.

Of that I am Certain.

I'm inclined to agree, but as a quick tempered man myself there is some pretty harsh criticism in some of these posts, some almost feel aimed to provoke Mr. Certain. I mean some people are just repeating previous declared criticisms, but elaborating and putting some stank on it. Not saying it's right to lash back but I understand it.

 

[Dradder]

Not saying it's right to lash back but I understand it.

So do I.

 

[JACink]

I'm inclined to agree, but as a quick tempered man myself there is some pretty harsh criticism in some of these posts, some almost feel aimed to provoke Mr. Certain. I mean some people are just repeating previous declared criticisms, but elaborating and putting some stank on it. Not saying it's right to lash back but I understand it.

I understand your point completely, but my experience in business that insulting possible clients is never the correct answer. The client is NOT always right, however, losing your temper with them does not solve the problem, it just gives them more ammo.

No one has received more hate on TB than Behringer, however, if you read Uli Behringers posts in the amp section, he gives his point of view (whether it is right or wrong) in a polite and educated manner.

Companies that have a huge waiting list for very expensive and/or boutique instruments would never (at least that I have seen) publicly try to insult people on a forum that houses many of their potential customers. This gentleman is looking for people to invest in the "possibility" of him building a new line of basses, I would think that he could keep his anger and short temper at bay until he at least reaches his goal.

This is just my opinion, and I may not be a professional bass player (or even a bass player at all by many standards), but I do try to be professional in the business that pays my bills.

 

[scourgeofgod]

I understand your point completely, but my experience in business that insulting possible clients is never the correct answer. The client is NOT always right, however, losing your temper with them does not solve the problem, it just gives them more ammo.

No one has received more hate on TB than Behringer, however, if you read Uli Behringers posts in the amp section, he gives his point of view (whether it is right or wrong) in a polite and educated manner.

Companies that have a huge waiting list for very expensive and/or boutique instruments would never (at least that I have seen) publicly try to insult people on a forum that houses many of their potential customers. This gentleman is looking for people to invest in the "possibility" of him building a new line of basses, I would think that he could keep his anger and short temper at bay until he at least reaches his goal.

This is just my opinion, and I may not be a professional bass player (or even a bass player at all by many standards), but I do try to be professional in the business that pays my bills.

All true, carry on

 

[pacojas]

Who are you, and who do you play with?

my name is Mudd and i play with "My Dingle-Ling". it's a brand new project that i started last night.

 

[FretNoMore]

I understand your point completely, but my experience in business that insulting possible clients is never the correct answer. The client is NOT always right, however, losing your temper with them does not solve the problem, it just gives them more ammo.
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Arguing in public with those who criticize will not win them over, and it may put off others who could have been interested. It's a lose-lose tactic.

 

[wvbass]

"Opinions on basses never played" are often perfectly valid, IMO. You certainly can't form an opinion regarding playability and can only form a partial opinion about ergonomics and tone, but opinions about the visual aspects are pretty valid. Let's be honest, as well. More basses are bought and sold because of the way they look than how well they play or how good they sound. (I don't mean that as either a good or bad thing; it is just an acknowledgement of the reality of the situation.)

 

[DavidCertain]

I'm far from angry. It's comical that people with very little or no experience become experts on basses they don't or cannot even play. Again, if you haven't touched one of my basses, your opinion is worthless, and everyone knows it but you. The thread finally got positive, then here come the posers rendering uninformed opinions. I guess if you can't play it doesn't make any difference whether you actually touch a bass or not. How many real customers did li lose by tell people where they can place their lips? None. How many do I gain for shutting down stupidity? People happen to like the fact I'm a straight shooter who is allergic to poser BS.

 

[wvbass]

David,

Members of TalkBass talk about basses. Its what we do. If you are uncomfortable with that, perhaps you shouldn't participate. I have been blunt in stating my opinions about your prototype, and they have been fairly harsh but not completely negative. I have also done my best to limit my opinions to your prototype and have refrained from personal attacks or comments about you of any kind. I have to say, though, that posts such as the one above do lower my opinion of you.

Hopefully this thread will soon be closed. It certainly has run its course, and this will be my last post on this topic.

 

[dmac1961]

And.....subscribed

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

And......closed.
David has yet again decided to throw insults at the general populous of TB and TB itself. And to clear the record for the future as to why this thread is getting cut off now before it gets worse, this is not the first time he has done this. Or second, or third, or fourth. The last banning (which was not just "like a day") didn't sink in- hopefully this notice will.

For those not understanding and thinking David is being unfairly targeted, please look for all the threads about other Fender-style builders like Nino Valenti and Mike Lull where their customer service and work is questioned and they return with insults. You won't find them. In fact we have a high number of the world's best builders and bassists here, none of which who tell people they can't play or are posers. If Fodera Guitars and Michael Manring, the very best of the best in builders and bassists who receive vastly more attention, and at times criticism due to their uniqueness, can spend years (decades even) on TB without ever insulting anyone, then maybe David's finger is being pointed in the wrong direction.