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cheap bass=no respect

I love these threads, old or not! I have 18 basses that total just under $4000. Ebay, etc, has made it easy and fun to find great old guitars for cheap. A $200 bass in the '80s sucked. Now it's amazing the quality you can find. I never was a fan of boutiques. They are made well and some sound great. But just gimme an old P or J style bass with decent components and I can get the tone that I want. I love experimenting with beaters and tweaking them. My faves are still the old Ibanez Blazers and Roadstars.

THIS.

i recently put up a thread for a $300 "beater" bass in the wanteds and received MANY offers for really really nice basses for $300 or less.

I'm talking $1000 new basses.

Hernandes tremor delux'
ibanez ergodyne eda 905's
etc. and all in good condition!
its crazy! I'd rather have a bunch of those than a $4000 bass any day.

My current (and only) Bass is a 5 string warwick that was $1400 new, and i got with 2 little scuffs on the back of the body for $700 shipped with gig bag, extra strings, everything! and its more bass than i will ever need.

Used is the way to go no matter what, and i think "boutique" basses are pretty sweet, i'd never want to own one.
 
This sound guy came to a practice to check out our cover band. I was noodling (unplugged) on my T-45 waiting for the guitarists to get in tune and one of his first comments to me was "so that's a one forty-five huh?"...:rollno: I didn't even realize he was talking to me and then didn't bother to correct him. He then proceeded to tell me about a fender "jazzman" bass in the pawn shop up the road that I needed to check out. :rolleyes:

Later we played the stray cat strut, which I find fun, and I saw him bobbin his head while he watched me. I guess my one forty-five sounded ok.
 
I used to have a lot of anxiety about getting up on stage with a Squier. Now I do it at almost every show I play. I take a lot of pride in my gear, and I invite any bassist I meet to give my 82 JV Jazz a spin and tell me it's not a good bass. I know my gear is good, and I take pride in the fact that I haven't had to spend a lot of money to get it. I think the willingness to play something cheap demonstrates maturity.

On the contrary, when I see a dude in an indie band playing a Rick, I damn well expect him to be a top notch player to justify that axe. A lot of times, the most expensive gear seems to be in the hands of the players who are insecure, and compensating. That's not always the case, but sometimes it is.
 
i play a 26 year old vantage bass that cost me $315 new in 84. i have never been laughed at ever after they heard me play.
this is a bass that is beat up, never goes out of tune, hasn't had a truss rod adjustment in 20 years, frets do not wear out. etc. i don't take care of it really; it is just a solid sounding battleaxe.
i can rely on it and that is good enough for me.
i am going to upgrade to a stingray 5 for a second axe, but i realize that it isn't going to sound that much better than my other one.
$1000 is a lot of money to spend on a guitar. it's true; i would be leery to take an expensive bass out to your average show.
 
I respect a person who has enough backbone that he or she doesn't feel the need to own a cool bass. I noticed that the bassist in Los Lonely Boys plays a Hohner six. I'm sure he could have a boutique but obviously he is comfortable with his Hohner, I respect the fact that he feels no need to change. I think about Prince playing a Hohner Telecaster copy during his Purple Rain phase, whose gonna tell Prince that he can't play? Finally, I always think of Debra Killings saying in Bass Player that her Squire Precision Bass Special Five is her main studio bass. I'm sure Outkast didn't complain when she playing "I Like the Way You Move."

I thought the guy from Los Lonely Boys played a Modulus?
 
did a show a while back where the guy before us was playing a Roscoe 3005. He totally blew. He sure looked good sucking though...I also found it kinda funny that he was plugging his $3000 bass into a $200 ampeg combo (that sounded like a turd).

The point is that it's not about a CHEAP bass (as in how much it cost) it's about how GOOD the bass is (as in how it plays and sounds).

All of this stems from a widely promoted lie. You see it everywhere. Online. music mags. Instrument maker literature and ads. And it's especially aimed at noobs. It goes like this:

If you have a player hero that you admire and would like to play "just like" him/her, then the way to do that is to spend a pile of cash to get an instrument just like Joe Blow plays. This is exactly the point of "endorsements". And obviously it's a total or nearly total lie. Yes, Joe's gear is part of his sound but the real "secret" of his talent isn't the gear but the "dues" he put in and the talent he brought to the instrument. I've never seen a case where a name guy like Joe did not STILL sound like Joe when playing any other instrument!

So the idea flourishes egged on by a host of manufacturers with gear to sell to noobs that somehow your skill as a musician is related to the brand of your gear. Now it is true that most skilled players DO take the sound of their instruments seriously. They DO obsess over minor details of sound and feel. But the key word here is "minor".

So the bottom line is that if your bass feels great to play and gives a tone you want, the price tag/brand/model are all irrelevant. One of the best bass players in this town has two main axes. A Squirer and an Ibanez. Two different sounds for two different kinds of music and both play and sound like boutique instruments costing thousands. So he just got lucky and had the ear to know when a "keeper" was in his hands. He'd be just as cool had he paid for boutique basses. The bass is the thing, not the brand.

Oddly enough, I've caught more flack playing my Alembic 6 string than my SX Fender clone. Again it's just a matter of people judging sound by what they see rather than what they hear. People are funny that way. And yes, music is ALSO "showbiz" so how you look onstage is a factor. Whether it's an sold school Fender sunburst tort guard 4 string look or avant garde 7 string, quilted maple top, boutique is making an image statement. And people will notice that. But any experienced player will know that your music comes first and image is a separate issue. Hey, blues players often like to play some old guitar that LOOKS like it's been laying in the swamp for a few years. But LOOKS is the operative word. If that instrument didn't give the tone and playability they want, looks would be irrelevant. They wouldn't play it. They only want the IMAGE of a backwoods player. They don't really want to play junk!
 

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