Cheapish, quiet, Doom rig. is this possible?

[mpdd]

i posted that thread to explain the gain structure in a better way than i probably could, anyway my sound is more like the first jesus and marychain record or their barbed wire kisses stuff

have a good night i have to turn in my grades and walk my dog

 

[rodl2005]

The GB shuttle 3.0 hasn't got a tube pre amp has it? I know the shuttle 6.0 has & u can crank that with a decent/high output bass & get some grind out of that. Sounds good thru headphones too.

 

[Noise King]

There are so many different shuttles 6.0 which one would be the most best? Is the only differences watts??

 

[rodl2005]

There is only one Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0. The Shuttle 3.0 might do but I dunno whether out has a tube in the the pre amp.
The Genz Benz Streamliner 600will give you far more overdrive, & might be worth a try too.
The shuttle 6.0 is 600w as is the Streamliner600.
The Shuttle 3.0 is 300w

 

[Noise King]

I think I confused 6.0 with shuttle series in general. Will the streamliner sound better with fuzz in comparison to the normal 6.0? Also, would it be better to get 400w speakers or 600w speakers?

 

[Morning Beer]

OK I'm the last guy that should be talking about doom rigs, but IMO if your big issue is volume at home the last thing you should be thinking about is spending a bunch of coin on a rig. Your having space issues not gear issues. Even if you were to get some all tube head your problems would still be there. I'd find a new place to practice.

 

[ButtUglyJeff]

around $1200 is the absolute most I'd spend on the entire rig.

You can't just turn it down because I like lots of sustain for droney stuff but you have to play really loud to get that sustain. The volume alone really messes with tone, so I'd like something that sounds really nice and deep and evil when it is still at a lower volume.

I spent less than that on this...

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It's an Ampeg PF500 amp plus 2 PF115 cabs. The cabs also come in 210 configs, but I think you'd want the 115s too...

Ampeg: Portaflex Series

p.s. - I use the same headphones you have with this amp, and they sound very, very good...

 

[Dave W]

I have really nice (studio) Audio Technica ATH m50 headphones but The tones are very muffled and different than they are from the actual speakers.

Studio quality cans should not sound muffled at all.

I was going to suggest getting a good pair of phones and using them in conjunction with a POD (great piece of gear for a situation like yours. I use one at home all the time) or something similar. Headphones are certainly going to sound different than speakers, but once you EQ everything you should be able to get the exact tone you want. That's the whole point of studio quality monitors.

if your big issue is volume at home the last thing you should be thinking about is spending a bunch of coin on a rig. Your having space issues not gear issues. Even if you were to get some all tube head your problems would still be there. I'd find a new place to practice.

This. I'm sorry, but a tube amp just is not a good idea if you can't crank it up.

If you really want a new rig, go for it. Just keep in mind you'll more than likely be stuck with the same issues you've got right now.

 

[s_mcsleazy]

valve jr. with a 2x12

 

[rodl2005]

I was only suggesting the Genz Benz gear as an amp that WILL do what the op wants-with headphones or without, & be a suitable amp got when he needs to play live.

 

[DBH_Bass]

Before I say it, I know what your thinking when you hear what I've to say.... but, Behringer.

I've got a small Behringer practice amp at home that actually sounds bigger than it is with a nice dark tone with a good amount of presence to not sound muddy. The 8" speaker is the worst part of the amp. But behringer is making 4 x10's and bigger stuff too.... Cost efficient, decent tone, semi-powerful.

I used to have a behringer 115 and 210 stack. it worked amazing for a doom tone. I would play eyehategod type stuff through it and it sounded pretty awesome.

 

[Noise King]

But was the stack quiet? [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] Recorded this with my current setup, I know, I need a mixing board.

 

[beatsbears]

valve jr. with a 2x12

I just picked up a valve jr on a whim this week when I saw one for 75. It's worked surprisingly well with my avatar 210. I'm sure you could get some nice sounds with some bigger speakers and a decent fuzz. I live in an apartment and I've yet to really crank it for fear of being too loud.

 

[wayneology]

I gig often! i use the SUNN ALPHA 115. (mostly as a stage monitor). I wouldnt trade it for anything. i run through a matsumins valve-caster (built myself) into a Tech 21 sans amp programible. and split my signal there. i absolutly love the tone and volume! i did replace the original 15" speaker with an Eminance delta series. i am in a nine peice band and i am usually a little loud. lol but its late 60's horn afro funk so thats ok... its expected. plus i am am not filling most of the trailer with my full stack.

If i were you, i would look into a good preamp and use your amp.

 

[Downunderwonder]

I can get all kinds of grungy crunchy grinding (horrible to my ears) tones out of a sansamp and distortion box which can play out of my itty bitty practice amp with the same tone, just not the house shaking level in the lows that my big rig makes.

Obviously I'm not into doom metal so I'm having a hard time understanding the premise of the original question.

When you say "sustain" do you mean getting feeding back from the rig like a howling guitar? To me that means there isn't any getting away from loud. Best you can do is put the rig up on a table in front of you and turn down.

The other kind of "sustain" I'm familiar with is the natural resonance of strings.

Is there some other?