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Choosing a Tablet for Reading Charts

I'm a little over halfway done with this thread, and I must say this has been a gold mine of info! It's a lot to absorb, though, and that's why I'm done for the night with it. Been taking notes because I need to these days but wow, so much info...thank you all!

Got one question, though...

---You all have talked about arranging songs in order, and while most reading gigs do have an order, unless it's a play, sometimes things change. And there are more than a couple bands I sub with that just call out songs or change the list on the fly, and there's nothing you can do about it except hang in or they call someone else next time. And trust me...if the front person or whoever counts off the song is ready to start a song, they're doing it.

Now I know it can be done because the horn players in the oldies show band I used to be in were able to look up songs quickly on their iPads, which by now are pretty old, and in that band when we did gigs by ourselves, the BL never used a set list, called them out sometimes giving you no time at all to think about it, and never cared if you weren't ready to start a song.

So how is it done? And does one OS or app have an advantage over the other in that regard?

In MobileSheets I just put together set lists and you swipe right through if no one changes anything. Set and forget.

You can also select individual pieces of music and they are right there. Pretty much any software based on images or PDFs regardless of platform has this functionality.
 
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Sometimes, if the tune has only on page, I just open the file, without using any software.

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Folks, who knew this page would blow up like this so quickly?? I've been so busy with moving and cleaning and putting things on top of other things. I thank you all for your input. and I'll read them just as soon as I can get the pedal storage room shelves loaded. Whew! I hate moving!
Thank you for starting this thread. I've been half fasting my way through using an old iPad and I've learned a ton on this thread.
 
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Bear in mind that if you sing while playing you will need to find a holder that will position your charts far enough out and at an angle that you can still see while on mic, unless you have your lyrics and changes fully memorized for those sections. For me it was very difficult to find one that fit that bill. This one sorta does the trick; at least I can get it further out in front of me than the other one I had. Most seem like they do not have an attachment that is long enough.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BCSYZVY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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I'm a little over halfway done with this thread, and I must say this has been a gold mine of info! It's a lot to absorb, though, and that's why I'm done for the night with it. Been taking notes because I need to these days but wow, so much info...thank you all!

Got one question, though...

---You all have talked about arranging songs in order, and while most reading gigs do have an order, unless it's a play, sometimes things change. And there are more than a couple bands I sub with that just call out songs or change the list on the fly, and there's nothing you can do about it except hang in or they call someone else next time. And trust me...if the front person or whoever counts off the song is ready to start a song, they're doing it.

Now I know it can be done because the horn players in the oldies show band I used to be in were able to look up songs quickly on their iPads, which by now are pretty old, and in that band when we did gigs by ourselves, the BL never used a set list, called them out sometimes giving you no time at all to think about it, and never cared if you weren't ready to start a song.

So how is it done? And does one OS or app have an advantage over the other in that regard?

I use SongBook and that's one press or swipe to get back to the set list if need to jump around within that or two to get back to the catalog of all songs which is in alphabetical. In this case the Kindle and iOS app act the same.
 
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I'm a little over halfway done with this thread, and I must say this has been a gold mine of info! It's a lot to absorb, though, and that's why I'm done for the night with it. Been taking notes because I need to these days but wow, so much info...thank you all!

Got one question, though...

---You all have talked about arranging songs in order, and while most reading gigs do have an order, unless it's a play, sometimes things change. And there are more than a couple bands I sub with that just call out songs or change the list on the fly, and there's nothing you can do about it except hang in or they call someone else next time. And trust me...if the front person or whoever counts off the song is ready to start a song, they're doing it.

Now I know it can be done because the horn players in the oldies show band I used to be in were able to look up songs quickly on their iPads, which by now are pretty old, and in that band when we did gigs by ourselves, the BL never used a set list, called them out sometimes giving you no time at all to think about it, and never cared if you weren't ready to start a song.

So how is it done? And does one OS or app have an advantage over the other in that regard?
I keep a windows explorer window open and the charts in alphabetical order by song name. Between songs I go to that window and grab the next tune. If they are organized in a rational way it is quick to do.
 
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I'm a little over halfway done with this thread, and I must say this has been a gold mine of info! It's a lot to absorb, though, and that's why I'm done for the night with it. Been taking notes because I need to these days but wow, so much info...thank you all!

Got one question, though...

---You all have talked about arranging songs in order, and while most reading gigs do have an order, unless it's a play, sometimes things change. And there are more than a couple bands I sub with that just call out songs or change the list on the fly, and there's nothing you can do about it except hang in or they call someone else next time. And trust me...if the front person or whoever counts off the song is ready to start a song, they're doing it.

Now I know it can be done because the horn players in the oldies show band I used to be in were able to look up songs quickly on their iPads, which by now are pretty old, and in that band when we did gigs by ourselves, the BL never used a set list, called them out sometimes giving you no time at all to think about it, and never cared if you weren't ready to start a song.

So how is it done? And does one OS or app have an advantage over the other in that regard?

1st Samsung S7+ has built in Stylus and magnetic so it sticks to my stand for easy use at rehearsal. It is Wacom based so you can get all sorts of real look pens that are stylus including even luxury pens, mentioned only to show how widespread and un-noticeable they are to others. I have a version of a normal looking Wacom for each phone and tablet, but the built in one for the S7+ is the one I use with MobileSheets Pro, even got a backup. I use Samsung to completely replace paper note taking so a regular pen stylus is very important for long term use.

In the Song Listing, the MobileSheets Pro has the letters on the side and you can choose the size of those letters. One of the options is to select the first letter, then all the next letters that are available in your list show up in a sub display to drill down to your song. So if your looking for Sidewinder tap "S" then the available next letters show, tap "i" then the next available show tap "d" etc. At some point depending on your list size the one your looking for is a the top. For me it's usually two or three letters and I have the song for fakebook lists. The Church filter is only a few hundred songs so the first letter gets me there, and the second it's at the top. The full list is almost 4K songs.

You can also choose how it filters, ie ignore "The" or "A", you can even edit what it ignores.

The main filters are across the top, and there are sub filters available also. You can save your filters to fine tune for the situation. So for me, I might filter for Real Book, and New Real as my current with the older fakebooks not showing. You could also include the older and just remember to choose the newer version. The listing shows all the info.

I save each fakebook as an album so you could also do the filter via albums and save the filter.

The set list can be re-arranged in seconds very easily. And adding to it is very easy.

It pays to read the manual the feature list is very extensive and based on feedback from musicians using the software on gigs.

You can email the MobileSheets file for the Song or a PDF of the song to your bandmates. You can link together under the director. All sorts of stuff like that I don't need so I only skimmed those sections.

The editing and notating while in rehearsal is super easy with the stylus and is just as easy as with paper. There are so many edit features that include the different shapes, lines, text types saved in a favorite box so you can have different settings at the touch of an icon instead of constantly choosing the features. I have 3 different highlight settings depending on the size of the music so there is no fiddling. etc. I drop in the actual note symbols to indicate Rhythm choices at church. Often songs are not repeated again for 6 months, a year, and sometimes only once every 3 years, so I need to write it down to not reinvent the wheel. You could even do layers, so you could have your base annotations, and then a different layer for a different director that won't show when a different directors layer is needed. You can also copy a song for a different band or director and it's the same underlying pdf, which makes updating the pdf easy.

Someone posted a link in this thread to an expensive E-Reader that was actually two in one. With MobileSheets Pro you can do this by picking up two used 10" tablets or even used larger ones super cheap and connecting the two tablets togethers to form one "book" so both could be in portrait mode and between the two you have a two page display. I'm going to try that with my backup NotePro 12.4. But if you have two 10" tablets you could do two page view between the two and be very readable.

You can also choose the background colors, I keep it white so it's bright and I can see it better, but some other colors might reduce the shine or glare for some.

Someone posted here posted a list of the "Jazz Standards New York Ninety" that we should know. I created a setlist with just those songs.

You can edit two of the fields or change some uses for others to suit your needs. It just occurred to me that one of those fields I could mark as "I know how to Play This Song" so as I go through the NY 90 list I could see what I still need to work on. Even use a number to indicate degree so "1" is passing knowledge while "5" is I can play it in my sleep. And then set up a saved filter if need be.

You could create a category for each band or bandleader add all the songs that group "knows" and then create set lists from that collection. So If a band leader expects you to know 100 songs instead of a set list, just load his collection as pick songs from that shortened list when Live. Switching amongst collections is quick so if if calls out something new you can find it fast. You could save different versions in different keys or right the new keys in a different "layer" when annotating.

The title that shows up in the list can be customized to show artist, composer, key, etc and could include your special designed fields. So it's easy to choose amongst similar titles or same from different fakebooks.

You can choose how much of a song is displayed on the screen, ie you can adjust the margins automatically or custom for each song. The reduction of margins increases the size of the sheet music you need to see.

All the edits and annotations do not affect the underlying pdf, unless you choose to embed it, and you can un-embed it later and re-edit. When you send out the email pdf it includes everything.

If you work with a document file with Chords and words underneath, MobileSheets Pro is able to transpose those chords into a different Key. MobileSheets Pro supports Images, pdf, test, and Chord Pro file formats.

What I did was download the manuals and played with trial copies. It takes some time, but it's a long term commitment. I can only speak to Android.

The first few times live I felt awkward and clumsy but I got used to quick enough. We are creatures of habit, and while basically not much different it still is something to adjust to.

Ray
 
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I have another question...

I've got a couple mic stands and I can just get an adapter so I'll be covered for a stand. But let's say it quits working for no reason all of a sudden. Let's hope not but things happen. I saw that a couple of you bring paper music and tablet for each show you read. Is it important enough to most of you to bring a proper music stand to all your reading gigs? I do have one that folds up nicely in a bag and is super light and very strong, but is it something to be paranoid over?

I have a regular metal stand and my Samsung S7+ in it's case when folded over sticks to it like glue. There is a magnet in the cover which is on the back when on the stand. I have my own stand at church, but for jams I bring the same model stand, I have a few. I drive everywhere so keeping a stand, chairs, extra supplies or amp in the car is no big deal. I suppose if it were a reading gig, I would have the books in the car in addition to the backup tablet that is always in the gig bag and the extra power supply. I might even just keep it in the trunk in a sealed plastic case to avoid carrying it. I still have plenty of paper maps in the car that I haven't touch in who knows how long, but you never know. One of the curses of a bass player.

I only started using the tablet fully in beginning of September, and in two weeks stopped dealing with the paper as the next 4 months are already scanned. But that is too soon to declare I don't ever need the paper backup in the car for paying reading gigs like you might encounter. For me the backup tablet is backup enough at Church. Even though I have had it since 2014 it still works great for MobileSheets. I upgraded more for office reasons then speed.

If you decide to do two tablets side by side in Portrait as I explained elsewhere, a standard stand might be better as it can hold both tablets side by side. If your reading one page fakebook stuff then Portrait is the way to go and those tablet stands would be easier. Those tablet stands do fold up small.

Now if you have to lug this stuff then you have to figure out your comfort level, a used older backup model might be enough for you to not have to lug the paper.

I do suggest logging into Google the day of or before you need it just to make sure the apps are synced, some may need to call home every so often. The same goes if you use any Amazon apps, and do the equivalent in Apple. I know this because I also have my wife's old NP 12.2 in my studio and do not use it often, and went not used in a while it does need to call home when turned on, this would not be good at the gig. But I don't have that problem with my regular use stuff.

Turn off Wifi at a gig to avoid interruptions, I also mute my device. You might want to setup a silent mode so alarms do not go off. Even though on mute, there could still be a pop up. You might need to fiddle with some settings and notifications to dial in for you.
 
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The K&M tablet holder is overbuilt in a good, German engineering way. Since you're on pro gigs, worth it to spend up a bit.

As to the "what if the tablet craps out?" question, you may consider investing in a backup, cheaper tablet. David Rosenthal has all of Billy Joel's stuff running on 2 Macs for just such an occasion. A cheaper, refurb tablet for backup may not be a bad idea for high-end gigs.
 
The K&M tablet holder is overbuilt in a good, German engineering way. Since you're on pro gigs, worth it to spend up a bit.

As to the "what if the tablet craps out?" question, you may consider investing in a backup, cheaper tablet. David Rosenthal has all of Billy Joel's stuff running on 2 Macs for just such an occasion. A cheaper, refurb tablet for backup may not be a bad idea for high-end gigs.

Some software like forScore syncs to the cloud, which makes updating a second device as backup easy.
 
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Bear in mind that if you sing while playing you will need to find a holder that will position your charts far enough out and at an angle that you can still see while on mic, unless you have your lyrics and changes fully memorized for those sections. For me it was very difficult to find one that fit that bill. This one sorta does the trick; at least I can get it further out in front of me than the other one I had. Most seem like they do not have an attachment that is long enough.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BCSYZVY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Most reading gigs don’t have me singing though some do. All depends. And many reading gigs supply mics and stands, so the holder would be on a separate stand. Good thought to think about, though.
 
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Most reading gigs don’t have me singing though some do. All depends. And many reading gigs supply mics and stands, so the holder would be on a separate stand. Good thought to think about, though.
I have several options; a holder that attaches directly to the top of a second stand like a mic clip, a Manhasset stand or this Arkon thing. If you do have a reading/singing gig, just something to bear in mind. I learned this the hard way.
 
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Now I know it can be done because the horn players in the oldies show band I used to be in were able to look up songs quickly on their iPads, which by now are pretty old, and in that band when we did gigs by ourselves, the BL never used a set list, called them out sometimes giving you no time at all to think about it, and never cared if you weren't ready to start a song.

So how is it done? And does one OS or app have an advantage over the other in that regard?

Quite easily in Forscore, actually. You can tap an icon to get your entire list outside of your set list. You set list stays marked at the last song you were in and you can then bounce out to another song in your list, and then bounce back into your set list to continue if you want. I do it all the time.

The set lists are essentially meta-data. They are links to the songs stored in your iPad, so there's no effort to moving between your entire catalogue and your set list for that night.

Of course, you can also divide your entire catalogue into groups, and add sorting categories to each song (kinda like tags on instagram).

Not a fan of those Peak stands. I use a Hercules that can actually tilt the rising pole forward. That came in handy a few times when I couldn't quite get the stand into spot I wanted it on the floor, you can essentially make it lean forward and adjust the ipad holder/desk to the angle you want.
 
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I use this stand. I do not sing for my church gig. If I get in a band and need to sing I may get something different. The clip on this stand is strong, but the stand leave a little to be desired in stability. If I were some where other than a church or a buddies house to jam, I would want some thing more sturdy. It can not be extended to the max advertised height.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PHRHRNL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Also - FYI. My decision to use a surface was driven largely by the fact I already owned it.
 
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I could use one for downloading new Impractical Jokers and Tacoma FD episodes while I'm in the states for a few hours at a time while everyone disembarks and new passengers get on if I decide to do a cruise ship. So I think I'd like to get one anyway. I've watched TV and movies on my iPhone and it works but it's too small to see the little things that go on that are funny if you see them. I have to have a big screen for that :D Need a Spectrum wifi hookup to get it for free but they're pretty common around here.

I use this stand. I do not sing for my church gig. If I get in a band and need to sing I may get something different. The clip on this stand is strong, but the stand leave a little to be desired in stability. If I were some where other than a church or a buddies house to jam, I would want some thing more sturdy. It can not be extended to the max advertised height.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PHRHRNL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Also - FYI. My decision to use a surface was driven largely by the fact I already owned it.
 
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@JimmyM, any purchases? Where you at with the apps? (Apologies if I missed it, I stopped following around page 6 ;) )

I’ve gotten the impression your needs are in the sheet music/PDF realm; but just in case you (or anyone else following) need something with chord/lyric (ChordPro) lead sheets…

@LBS-bass mentioned Songbook Pro (thanks for the tip!) which I’ve been playing with and am finding it superior to any other I’ve tried. Main points:
-“mark up” tool in the app to make notes. (HUGE pro for me!)
-easiest and most intuitive chart editing.
-imports docx files to make your own ChordPro charts (the benefit of this being transposition at the click of a button).
Those 3 things alone made it worth the price of admission (which is only 6 bucks!)

The only drawbacks I’ve found:
-no search option for “lyrics only” (but I can easily import a PDF or Docx file from another app).
-going into the settings to change text size, vs a button available on each page.
-I crashed the app with a 120 page PDF, so there is an upper limit. (But who needs a 120 page pdf? :laugh:) I was able to load and read a 30 page book.
Overall those points were minor and I can work around them.

In the end I found no app does it all, and rather I use a team of apps to complete various functions. As long as the main setlist/organization app works well, I’m good!
 
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@JimmyM, any purchases? Where you at with the apps? (Apologies if I missed it, I stopped following around page 6 ;) )

I’ve gotten the impression your needs are in the sheet music/PDF realm; but just in case you (or anyone else following) need something with chord/lyric (ChordPro) lead sheets…

@LBS-bass mentioned Songbook Pro (thanks for the tip!) which I’ve been playing with and am finding it superior to any other I’ve tried. Main points:
-“mark up” tool in the app to make notes. (HUGE pro for me!)
-easiest and most intuitive chart editing.
-imports docx files to make your own ChordPro charts (the benefit of this being transposition at the click of a button).
Those 3 things alone made it worth the price of admission (which is only 6 bucks!)

The only drawbacks I’ve found:
-no search option for “lyrics only” (but I can easily import a PDF or Docx file from another app).
-going into the settings to change text size, vs a button available on each page.
-I crashed the app with a 120 page PDF, so there is an upper limit. (But who needs a 120 page pdf? :laugh:) I was able to load and read a 30 page book.
Overall those points were minor and I can work around them.

In the end I found no app does it all, and rather I use a team of apps to complete various functions. As long as the main setlist/organization app works well, I’m good!
I hear you on that. I haven't bought anything yet. Still doing research and waiting for a good deal on an older one and I'm still just trying to move in and make this place not so filthy. But thx for asking, Al!
 
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I hear you on that. I haven't bought anything yet. Still doing research and waiting for a good deal on an older one and I'm still just trying to move in and make this place not so filthy. But thx for asking, Al!
I was happy with my experience with backmarket.com, great product as advertised. Got a 2017 32gb 9.7” for <$200. They have lots of 12.9” options in the $4-600 range, but idk if that qualifies as “good.” ;) (That’s for iPads but they have android too.)

good luck with the move! :)