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Double Bass Clarus 2R SE III or Euphonic Audio Iamp Doubler

Which amp for double bass small rig?

  • Clarus 2R SE Series III

    Votes: 10 52.6%
  • Euphonic Audio Iamp Doulber

    Votes: 9 47.4%

  • Total voters
    19
Speaking of the inefficiency of the VL-208, I must say that I was amazed at how good that little GK MB200 (which is only rated at 140 watts into an 8-ohm load) driving your VL-208.
That GK is a freak. 140 watts at 8 ohms vs the Doubler at 310 watts at 8 ohms loudness wise the lower power GK smoked the doubler. Tone is another thing though...very different animals with wildly different sound and controls.

Not really a worthy comparison, both were made for very different things.
 
For me, I don't venture an opinion on any gear until I spend a lot of time with eq. I've designed speakers for years and (not just my opinion) they sound as good or better than anything out there. But they weigh a ton. (I built a 2x10 cab with Volt speakers from England---sounds amazing, but it weighs about 70 lbs.) If anyone would try it without eq it would sound terrible. Obnoxious midrange, not enough bottom. It reminds me of the EA CXL12 speaker which is my current favorite. I can eq virtually any two speakers so that they sound nearly identical. But the "thump" and the envelope of how the notes develop and decay will be very different. This is the most important part of whether or not I like either a head or a speaker. It's the most important aspect of sound that eq does not change. The WW amps sound great, but the thump and envelope factors make it a poor choice for me. Same with the AI amps. At least for me. It was very interesing when I first tried the Doubler. I had a Micro 300 which sounded great. But with the Doubler there was more of a visceral thump at the beginning of the notes.And there was more "width" to the notes. It was simultaneously warmer but with more authority than the 300. And this wasn't a function of the eq---just the basic sound of the amp. The AI stuff is very nice, but I find that functionally I prefer the EA. And for electric the AI was unusable for me. I use the Wizzy 10 for any gig of trio or less. It is VERY wanky in the midrange. So much that EA came out with a change in the interior batting that tames the mids. I haven't changed mine (laziness) but for me it's no big deal. I religiously use the Fishman Dual Parametric direct box and I know how to EQ out the offending anomalies. And just the anomalies. Problem with onboard eq on amps is that the range of the frequencies affected are often too wide. So you get rid of the offending wank, but take out too much of the adjacent frequencies. EQ on amps is good for general tone shaping but not for dealing with specific issues. With the parametric I can find the offending frequencies and how much to attenuate them and then reduce the width of the eq so that I'm only taking out what I want. On my Golia with the FC the open D is a lot louder than other notes. If I used the notch on the Doubler I could take it out, but since the amount of attenuation is fixed, I'd take out way too much of the D. With a parametric I can take out just enough to get it in balance. And not affect any adjacent notes.
With the Wizzy 10 and the CXL12 I can get them sounding virtually identical (my sound) and they are radically different sounding cabs. I'm not using the Wizzy M-line as much these days. While I eq it to sound identical to my other cabs, the basic sound of the cab is wider and more enveloping. Which has a strong romantic appeal. But I found that I had a bit more trouble "cutting through". On its own it's a better sounding cab than the 10 or CXL. But functionally I prefer the other two.
A very cool little amp that I used for years was the little GK powered keyboard speaker. Looked just like the bass amp, but only one control. Volume. No eq. But for some reason either of my uprights sounded amazing through it. I think that the Doubler/Wizzy 10 sounds better (and with a lot more flexibility), but less better than one would think. It sounded TONS better than their bass amp. Only good for trios or less. For eq I would just raise or lower the height, Sounds primative, but for 10 years I used it on all smaller gigs. And a stupidly heavy and complicated system for louder gigs.
I talked to an engineer at Fishman and he thought that the Dual Parametric was the coolest thing that they had made but nobody bought it. Kinda like the EA VL208. Musicians seem to be intimidated by parametric eq but once you learn what frequencies are associated with what sounds it's a piece of cake. When we were designing the Doubler they used all of my suggestions except for one. I wanted bass and treble controls and two bands of fully parametric eq. They said that no one would buy it. We even talked about me doing a seminar on EQing the bass.
 
I've designed speakers for years and (not just my opinion) they sound as good or better than anything out there. But they weigh a ton.

Yes they do, I had someone help me carry your 15" across the stage last night, a first for me but I didn't want to deal with it alone. Used the Doubler with it for the first time, too, and the pair sounded fantastic, really articulate in a way that the old cab has never sounded before. Happy not to be carrying around a heavy amp now...
 
What does a Headway do?

It's a 9V powered direct box with a decent EQ that mixes two sources, one of which can be a mic. It has Phantom power to apply to the XLR input if need be. I use it to mix a pickup and a mic. It's a pretty small and light box for all that it does. It's output is very hot and it can drive just about any power amp you have. More that once I've jacked it into the FX return of a rented amp to bypass the preamp of the rented amp and just use the power and speaker provided.

...I religiously use the Fishman Dual Parametric direct box and I know how to EQ out the offending anomalies. And just the anomalies. Problem with onboard eq on amps is that the range of the frequencies affected are often too wide. So you get rid of the offending wank, but take out too much of the adjacent frequencies. EQ on amps is good for general tone shaping but not for dealing with specific issues. With the parametric I can find the offending frequencies and how much to attenuate them and then reduce the width of the eq so that I'm only taking out what I want. ...

don't want to misquote anyone or mix apples or oranges with other kinds of fresh fruit, but can anyone compare the Headway EDB1 preamp with the Fishman Dual Parametric D.I.? does the Fishman allow you to mix a pickup and mic?
 
I have both the Headway and the Fishman EQ. Another fruit thing. Both very good both different. I prefer the sound of my bass through the Headway over the Fishman. The EQ on the Headway isn't nearly as good as that Fishman 2 band parametric though, nothing 9V operated is.

The Fishman usually is with me somewhere on the rare occasion I can't get a good sound with what I've got on the gig but I haven't used it in awhile. When I do use it usually it's in the FX loop. I've never tried it after the Headway as additional EQ. I'm sure if I needed it that would work great.

I haven't used the PZ. It's kinda big with a bunch of extra stuff I wouldn't use like a boost switch. Their passive DI sounds really good.
 
They aren't the same kind of tool, really. Does the Headway have parametric EQ? If not, you still might want a para EQ to fine tune things. The Fishman comes up used, how I got mine.

The Headway has a very good 5 band interactive EQ where the bands have some overlap it sounds really good. But since you can't vary the center frequency it's not a parametric.

Ric