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Yeah you are right about zing on ElixIrs's. I didn't need the zing which is why I clicked with them. Lately I'm not feeling it with the ElixIrs. I did put a set of DD EXP's on my Fender Pbass the other day just to try a different coated string and they sounded pretty nice and really quite zingy, more than I was expecting. I haven't heard much about them or their longevity however. I've been leaning more toward flats lately and was really impressed with the EB Cobalt flats at least as far as sound. Had terrible luck with two strings breaking out of the set, but EB is sending me a new set to try. Got some new Fender 9050's for my Rick to put on also. I still have a set thats over 5 years old but since I don't do much string maintenance they are pretty much dead in a not good way. Maybe I will try some suggestions here to resurrect them.
 
6. avoid coated, elixir, exp whatever. Whatever people say, I think they're snake oil.

You think they're snake oil??? Or you've used them more than once and didn't like them??
If it's the former not the latter then keep your untested opinions to yourself and let others make their own mind up. If it is the latter, state that you don't like them personally and your reasons why and let others make their own mind up. Don't just bag a product like that.

As i said before, i've never used them on electric bass but on acoustic bass, electric guitar and acoustic guitars they are the best strings i have used in 30+ years of playing. I only change strings when there starts to be lumps in the string over the frets. Occasionally, but very rarely, the coating is completely destroyed by the pick or fretting hand. On the most used guitars i'll still get more than 6 months use out of a set. Uncoated strings i'd be lucky to get more than one month before they are dead.

Elixirs are especially good on instruments that you don't play often. I have a set on my 12 string that are over 3 years old and they sound as good as the day they were put on. Had they been uncoated they would be useless pieces of rust, particularly the plains.
 
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You think they're snake oil??? Or you've used them more than once and didn't like them??
If it's the former not the latter then keep your untested opinions to yourself and let others make their own mind up. If it is the latter, state that you don't like them personally and your reasons why and let others make their own mind up. Don't just bag a product like that.

As i said before, i've never used them on electric bass but on acoustic bass, electric guitar and acoustic guitars they are the best strings i have used in 30+ years of playing. I only change strings when there starts to be lumps in the string over the frets. Occasionally, but very rarely, the coating is completely destroyed by the pick or fretting hand. On the most used guitars i'll still get more than 6 months use out of a set. Uncoated strings i'd be lucky to get more than one month before they are dead.

Elixirs are especially good on instruments that you don't play often. I have a set on my 12 string that are over 3 years old and they sound as good as the day they were put on. Had they been uncoated they would be useless pieces of rust, particularly the plains.

No, from years of experience owning and running a music shop. Selling basses, guitars, repairing them, customers turning them in for changing strings. All new guitars and basses came with them, and was up for testing, when they were hanging around. However, people who tried them didn't know this. Whenever bought, they wanted NEW strings on them. Whenever any instrument came in for repair or adjustment or intonation, all we got in, were the flaked ones. All customers wanted "ordinary" strings, since they thought Elixirs wasn't WORTH the price increase at all. Elixir just changed in 2013 their recipe for them not to flake up, and by that time, me and everybodye else had moved on. I do think that Cleartone and Martin LifeSpan may be the only ones that can hold a candle. There have been numerous people throughout the years, with hand sweat who jumped on the coated bandwagon, thinking it would solve their problem. "Rusted" within 2-3 weeks anyway....

What electric guitar strings are the most rust-resistant? - Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange

Oh BTW, Flatwounds last longer. Way longer. The sound is about the same as muffled Elixirs.;)

Find it peculiar that your plain strings on your 12 strings had rust when using regulars. Elixir doesn't coat the plain strings! As far as I know, all plain strings on all electric guitars and acoustics as well, are made of stainless steel. It's the wound ones they change the recipe on, with pure nickel wound, nickel plating, phospor bronze or whatever. As it is on bass, all are wound. Never ever seen rust on plain stainless steel strings. I do have seen them gunk up, but it is easily wiped and cleaned out. It's only when the plain strings has some kind of a) coating b) plating that they get tarnished or rust. However, the wound strings can rust as well as crust and tarnish. By a great deal. Otherwise Elixir wouldn't coat just the three bottom wound strings, would they?

Which is one of the silliest business decisions ever made. They made a decision that the plain strings didn't need coating at all. They have regular plating on them just as any other company though. I've always wanted the market to sell guitar sets splits in 3. That you can buy them in sets of 3. Either the wound set, or the plain set. But this with the plain strings not being coated...

Maybe something you've missed? ;)

Maybe you've missed the endowment effect?

Endowment effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The main reason I think they're snake oil, is just that. That they still coat the wound strings only on their guitar sets. Coats just 3 of them, but sells them in 6 packs with three plain strings from their other regular strings, and still charges premium. And when I told this to customers they went "huh? what? had no idea just the wounds were coated". No one I've met knew of this.

Now back to bass, where all strings are wound.
 
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I find it even more strange, that people thinks that all other people here are musicians, pro or weekend warriors, and thus, people thinks one is bragging having have to OWNED and played all of these or that strings and have tried or BOUGHT them all and tried out. I tell you, no one has more experience than repairmen in music shops, where all kinds/brands and sorts of instruments/strings going in and out of the shop. They're the ones who has the most experience on a number of wildly variations in things. Both strings, basses, set ups, pickup choices, cables, intonation, tuning.

If I just kept on playing music myself on a couple of basses, and brand of strings, my choices and experiences would've been far more limited, and not up to anything. I tell you that anything we've sold in our shop, strings or instruments, I have a rather fair and solid experience of, moreso than if I didn't do the work there, or just been playing for myself and gigging at weekends. Not only me, but anyone else too, working in the music shop business, and who DOES repairs on basses, and guitars.

I have never ever - though - tried to convince any customer to go against their wishes, if they specifically asked me to put on Elixirs, when doing any service. We sold them, and made money on it. Very bad conduct to do something else. I even put on low F# strings on their MIM Squier basses, even though inside I giggled a bit. I don't and won't insult or offend anyone up front. But if and only if they're asking me about guidance, I would start the dialog with "Yes that's an idea, but, have you thought about ..."

And it's only there and then the customer goes "Oh, huh? really? Never knew that they just coated the wound ones...thank you for the info" and if they then still inists on putting on Elixirs, who am I to speak? But on any bass, this is a no-no since all strings are wounded, and thus, coated.
 
Thus the verdict is throughout the decade+ or so Elixirs been around: 9 out of 10 customers we had, who've tried Elixirs on bass (let's not go into guitar or acoustics, it's even higher 10/10) have decided and tested for themselves without any influence from me, have turned back to regular strings, not coated. But they DO have tried them, and gave them a fair shot. Any new "snake-oil" or invention on the strings, that we've sold, I do have tried a set at home, and put it on. And did tests in the long run. If they said to last longer, then you'll have to wait a year or two before the verdict can be made.
 
Oh BTW, Flatwounds last longer. Way longer. The sound is about the same as muffled Elixirs.;)

I agree wholeheartedly and i'm glad you replied with some reasons however.......

Elixir doesn't coat the plain strings!

While you were working at the shop you didn't read the product packages very well did you. The part where it says "With ANTI-RUST Plain Strings" in big bold letters. They may not be "coated" like the wound strings but they are treated. At one stage a few years ago they had a problem with their suppliers and couldn't get one of the treatment ingredients and had to ship plain steels but they actually let people know on the packet (and on their facebook and website pages) and reduced the price so people didn't feel ripped off.

From the Elixir website "As you know, sets are made up of wound and plain steel strings. In addition to the NANOWEB and POLYWEB Coatings that protect all wound strings, Elixir Plain Steel Strings feature an innovative Anti-Rust Plating that prevents rust and corrosion and extends the life of plain steel strings"

And I find it strange that part of your "proof" is a link to another forum where false information is as rampant there as it is here....... like some of the claims you made.


As far as I know, all plain strings on all electric guitars and acoustics as well, are made of stainless steel

Once again, you really didn't look at the products on the shelf did you.

Most manufacturers don't use stainless steel. A quick look at the D'Addorio site shows that they don't even make a stainless steel set at all as far as i can see, Ernie Ball has one set of stainless for electric guitar, one for bass and none at all for acoustic and Martin are pretty much the same and the stainless sets they have is on the wound section. Most plain guitar strings are either plain steel or a nickel/steel alloy. I can't recall ever seeing a string manufacturer claim that they use stainless steel plains.

As for your "endowment effect" accusation, as I mentioned, I don't use them on my electric basses and for over 20 years didn't use them on my electric or acoustic guitars. I just found that they really do last a LOT longer than uncoated strings and have decided to keep using them for live work. For recording, I'll use uncoated on my guitars as they are brighter, but they really are pretty much stuffed after a couple of days play.

The main reason I think they're snake oil, is just that. That they still coat the wound strings only on their guitar sets. Coats just 3 of them, but sells them in 6 packs with three plain strings from their other regular strings, and still charges premium. And when I told this to customers they went "huh? what? had no idea just the wounds were coated". No one I've met knew of this.

If you want to be completely pedantic, you didn't tell them a lie.... but you did tell them crap. As mentioned above, the plains are treated. A lot of plain steel strings these days are but this took on popularity around 10 years ago when other manufacturers saw how well the treatment worked for Elixir. I really find it hard to believe that you owned a guitar store when your knowledge of strings is so inaccurate. The fact that you haven't seen guitars that haven't been played in months that have badly corroded strings also makes me wonder how much experience you have with guitars and strings.

I do find it very funny that you have a lot of anecdotal evidence in your long replies but no proof at all, no facts that can be backed up and some statements that can be proven false by a quick look around the internet at actual string suppliers.
 
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You mention that people who work on guitars should know what's what. I agree.

There must be something good about Elixir strings when all Taylor guitars (who are now recognised as one of, if not the, best acoustic guitar manufacturers in the world) now ship with Elixirs. Sure they may be making money on the deal, but they wouldn't compromise their products with inferior strings when strings are such an important part of an instrument's sound.
 
Thus the verdict is throughout the decade+ or so Elixirs been around: 9 out of 10 customers we had, who've tried Elixirs on bass (let's not go into guitar or acoustics, it's even higher 10/10) have decided and tested for themselves without any influence from me, have turned back to regular strings

So you're saying that every single guitar player that has tried them didn't like them and went back to regular strings. I call complete bulls**t on that.

And yet my anecdotal proof is that after 30+ years of guitar and bass playing as well as working as a roadie for some of Australia's best bands, I have found that nearly every single person I've convinced to try Elixirs since I got them recommended to me around 10 years ago, have continued to use them.
 
From Invalid Link Removed website....

Plain Strings

Steel - Plain strings for electrics are the same as plain strings for acoustics. Most electric sets use a plain string for the G string and acoustic sets use a wound string. Virtually all plain strings are made from an alloy called Swedish steel which excels in both qualities needed. They are normally plated with tin, sometimes with brass.
 
Many years ago, while visiting Gruhn Guitars in Nashville, I got to talking with one of the guys there and he put me on to boiling. That was probably 30+ years ago and it's worked for me. Just ask you wife if it's OK to use her big chili pot BEFORE you fill it up with water, a dash of salt (boils faster) and put the strings in. LOL!!!!!

OT: salt makes water boil hotter (which takes longer), not faster.

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