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Club Alleva Coppolo (Part VI)

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Yep... from the Warmoth website finish descriptions:

"The Antigua Burst is cream yellow paint with grey paint burst."

The first and only time I saw one of those basses in person was a late 70's P I think, with matching pickguard. I thought it might have been the ugliest thing I ever saw. It was the house bass in a recording studio here on the Island...Jimmy somehow made it look kinda cool though..
 
QUOTE=Andrew Jones;6831916]Is that a CAR RA-5 with a Rosewood board? Or a LM either way thats new....... that's a combo I've been waiting to see a mid late 70's jazz ash body five with a rosewood board.

Yes, it's an RA5. There's a purple one there too on the left with just dots, no blocks & binding ... and it has the bent plate.

Jimmy has made 2 natural ash/rosewood 5's with 70's spacing in the last 4 months. One was at bass player live. Both were killin'. They were huge sounding basses, most likely because the ash was on the heavy side, pushing 10 lbs.
I love that sound ... Like a '78 Jazz.[/quote]
 
The first and only time I saw one of those basses in person was a late 70's P I think, with matching pickguard. I thought it might have been the ugliest thing I ever saw. It was the house bass in a recording studio here on the Island...Jimmy somehow made it look kinda cool though..
+1

While I'll stop short of bashing an AC, Jimmy's didn't make me like them any better. :) I've hated that finish ever since I first saw one on (I think) a Danelectro Longhorn bass. ICK!!! IMHO of course. :)
 
I thought it was about time I joined in and I'm firmly blaming Bernie for giving me the GAS for one of these ;)

Ladeeeezzzz and Gennnullllmen my LG5 :-

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WOW!!! Is this the one that Jimmy had in stock about 3-4 months ago? He mentioned he made two spalted alders... one is actually for sale here. Is this the other one? I almost went for it if it is.
 
I thought it was about time I joined in and I'm firmly blaming Bernie for giving me the GAS for one of these ;)

Haha! Well Nick, at least something good came out of my bad influence.. :D

The Alleva Coppolo owners on here are great resources and fun to bounce ideas off of. I'm just glad to be a part of the community.

I love the bass! The spalted alder goes great with the rest of the woods on that bass.
 
Hmmm. I wonder how an LM-5 with an ash body and an ebony fretboard would sound? Does Jimmy ever do ebony?

-Steve

Hi Steve,

Yes Jimmy does ebony...

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The ebony has a pretty lively and punchy groove to it, and to my ears, is unusually responsive to where you place the fingers of your right hand. This creates a pretty wide range of available tones.

It would be interesting to hear an ash/ebony combo - my guess is that it would have a more "modern" 70's sound, and would cut like like a mofo.
 
Hi Steve,

Yes Jimmy does ebony...

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=106102&d=1224450454

The ebony has a pretty lively and punchy groove to it, and to my ears, is unusually responsive to where you place the fingers of your right hand. This creates a pretty wide range of available tones.

It would be interesting to hear an ash/ebony combo - my guess is that it would have a more "modern" 70's sound, and would cut like like a mofo.

+1 Every bass I've had with an ebony board really sounded like it had an ebony board, with that unique 'ping' to the attack of the note.

I surely wouldn't put an ebony board on a fretted A-C, since that would move the tone significantly away from the true J tone that Jimmy achieves with the more authentic wood combinations.

Ebony really does 'sound like ebony' IMO and IME.
 
+1 Every bass I've had with an ebony board really sounded like it had an ebony board, with that unique 'ping' to the attack of the note.

I surely wouldn't put an ebony board on a fretted A-C, since that would move the tone significantly away from the true J tone that Jimmy achieves with the more authentic wood combinations.

Ebony really does 'sound like ebony' IMO and IME.

Yes but I love it!
 
Yes but I love it!

+1 I dig that tone also. However, in the context of the poster who likes the sound of a maple board but doesn't like the look, ebony would in no way be a 'visually dark but maple sounding board', and would definitely take some of the 'J' out of a J bass.

I think for that poster, Morado would probably be the closest fretboard wood that would be a nice compromise in trying to find a more bright, maple tone, with the look of a rosewood board. IMO!
 
+1 I dig that tone also. However, in the context of the poster who likes the sound of a maple board but doesn't like the look, ebony would in no way be a 'visually dark but maple sounding board', and would definitely take some of the 'J' out of a J bass.

I think for that poster, Morado would probably be the closest fretboard wood that would be a nice compromise in trying to find a more bright, maple tone, with the look of a rosewood board. IMO!

I agree totally...ebony really has a unique sound and isn't anything like maple. Pau ferro/morado is alot closer to maple than ebony.

The thing about ebony is that it compresses the sound a bit (IMO) whereas maple is usually very wide sounding.
 
Hi Steve,

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It would be interesting to hear an ash/ebony combo - my guess is that it would have a more "modern" 70's sound, and would cut like like a mofo.

Yeah, i've got ebony and ash on my Sadowsky -- but it's an M5-24 with the big soapbars, and as Ken indicated, I really am shooting for the 70's J sound for my next A-C so it doesn't tell me what I want to know. It would be interesting to hear two "identical" basses -- a forlorn hope, I know -- except for one maple and one ebony fretboard to hear how the ebony ping differs from the brightness of the maple.

I think we need some gigantic mad scientist laboratory (accent on the second syllable: "laBORatory"), maybe buried in the heart of a mountain, with all these permutations and combinations of materials on otherwise matching basses: maybe a staff of lab assistants to quickly switch fretboards (yeah, right), bodies, bridges and electronics on super J's built by Jimmy and Roger just for the purpose of experimentation. Doesn't our new president say he supports expanded research initiatives?

So I guess the consensus is that ebony will not sound anything like maple. So what, ebony is *harder* than maple, therefore it outmaples maple? Well, maybe a trans white LM-5 with a maple fretboard is in my future.

Googling hardness of woods, I came across this (at http://www.silversmithing.com/1wood.htm):

<begin excerpt>
Janka Hardness is a test which measures the pounds of force it takes to drive a .444" diameter steel ball 1/2 its depth into wood. These numbers are taken from various publications but principally are from the U.S. Forest Products lab. The higher the number the harder the species.
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Maple (Acer, saccharum) 1450
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Ebony, African (Diospyros spp) 3220
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Rosewood, Honduran (Dalbergia Stevensonii) 2200
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<end excerpt>

That (paradoxically) implies that Maple may be the softest of the three...by the Janka test. So maybe they're talking about something different than we are.

-Steve

P.S. Apologies to those burned out on this topic. I don't have an ax to grind, but it's really interesting to me all of a sudden now that it's penetrated into my dim consciousness.

S
 
+1 Hardness does not really drive the tone differences among these three general board materials. Again, Morado (also known as Pau Ferro) really does a nice job of a 'RW' look with a tone that has a bit more of those quick upper mids, more similar to maple to me versus RW.

Another thing that I learned from TB is that (if I remember this correctly) maple boards typically have a finish on them, whereas RW and ebony do not. I assume this also impacts the tone and feel a bit, and blurs the relationship between tone and hardness even more.
 
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