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Club Alleva Coppolo (Part VI)

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#141
Bernie Connors said:
In a mix, how noticeable is any of this? After awhile, it just becomes moot. Sometimes too much time is wasted debating or trying to prove stuff that could only be heard in a very controlled studio environment and almost never in a day-to-day playing situation.
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+1111111111 That's why I don't normally get involved in these types of discussions.
 
#142
hi everyone,
I got a question, maybe a very simple question.....

I want to know that what are differences between nitro and poly finish? i know the old fender use nitro finish, but besides the look, will the finish affect the sound or weight of the bass?

thanks
 
#143
hkroy said:
hi everyone,
I got a question, maybe a very simple question.....

I want to know that what are differences between nitro and poly finish? i know the old fender use nitro finish, but besides the look, will the finish affect the sound or weight of the bass?

thanks
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There are some who say the Nitro finish 'allows the wood to vibrate more', etc. I don't buy it, especially compared to the very thin modern poly finishes.

Basically, the positive (to me) is that there is a certain 'look' to nitro that is very deep and rich. The bad news is, it is a bit more fragile than poly... it can scuff and chip a bit, and you need to be careful regarding the inside lining of your case, etc.

So, IMO, unless you are a 'vintage fanatic', it would be poly all the way for me.
 
#144
Big String said:
Not according to a couple of well respected TB'r that have Sadowsky basses with ash/ebony.... their claim is this combo is stupendous on the Sadowsky brand. :)
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No one is saying it doesn't sound 'good', just that it moves any J - styled instrument away from what most of us who actually like J basses (:smug:) regard as an authentic J tone. If you want a more modern tone like the Sadowsky J, and further want to move it away from anything even resembling a traditional Fender tone, put some Big Singles and an Ebony board on it, and you are good to go:D:hiding:
 
#145
jmain said:
Gotcha. It was just the capitalization and "Family". Morado definitely seems to have less oils/resins (if any) than true rosewoods. I know alot of builders use it, but its not my fave. I never thought I'd have a maple board, but that's based on the thick poly that I encountered when I started out.

Back on track: Do LM-5's have a thick poly on the maple necks/fretboards? On the youtube clip where dude (Brian Harp?) is playing the LM-5 with pearloid blocks, it looks like the poly is thick. I'm guessing Jimmy does that to get the certain period accurate thing going on; like of late 70's maple necks. Whereas the other LM-5's I've seen pics of don't look to have that thick poly.
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The RA's do, the LM's do not (although I'm sure you can spec either any way you want). My LM board feels like raw maple... very thin, satin finish.
 
#146
Basseroni said:
+1111111111 That's why I don't normally get involved in these types of discussions.
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I agree in general. Sometimes we all need to shut up and play:bassist:

However, my LM and LG sound and feel VERY different played acoustically, so that takes the pickup position out of the equation. The body woods are different as is the finish, but most (like Roger Sadowsky) say the board material is the driving force behind the 'subtle but real' differences in tone and feel. As Narud says, if you are putting down $4k+ for a bass, and also are interested in a bass not just 'sounding good' (very few basses don't sound good to me), but also matching a certain feel and tone profile, to me, the decision on the board (especially if we are talking ebony versus maple) can make a big difference, even in a mix.

Again, just trying to provide some guidance to the poster above who loves the sound but not the look of maple. I agree, once you get into sub-varieties within the actual, true RW family, things quickly get silly.

IMO!
 
#147
KJung said:
There are some who say the Nitro finish 'allows the wood to vibrate more', etc. I don't buy it, especially compared to the very thin modern poly finishes.

Basically, the positive (to me) is that there is a certain 'look' to nitro that is very deep and rich. The bad news is, it is a bit more fragile than poly... it can scuff and chip a bit, and you need to be careful regarding the inside lining of your case, etc.

So, IMO, unless you are a 'vintage fanatic', it would be poly all the way for me.
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Woo:hyper: thanks for your idea:D
nitro is quite a huge charge to me...so I am struggling for it
so Jimmy uses "very thin modern poly finishes" on his bass?
 
#152
jmain said:
Don't first hand yet, but I've been told this.
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My Sadowsky RV that is now about 3 or 4 years old, seems to have done this (it feels 'thinner' and less 'gummy' now, and the sheen is starting to move closer to satin), but it's still not as smooth and even as that wonderful thin satin poly. That's my favorite neck finish.
 
#153
KJung said:
No one is saying it doesn't sound 'good', just that it moves any J - styled instrument away from what most of us who actually like J basses (:smug:) regard as an authentic J tone. If you want a more modern tone like the Sadowsky J, and further want to move it away from anything even resembling a traditional Fender tone, put some Big Singles and an Ebony board on it, and you are good to go:D:hiding:
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Yeah, the guys I referred to said they really didn't love ebony that much but thought that the Sadowsky
s with ash/ebony was really good.
 
#154
KJung said:
My Sadowsky RV that is now about 3 or 4 years old, seems to have done this (it feels 'thinner' and less 'gummy' now, and the sheen is starting to move closer to satin), but it's still not as smooth and even as that wonderful thin satin poly. That's my favorite neck finish.
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Yeah, that satin poly feel is nice. I'll just have to get to work on the nitro to get it there.
 
#155
narud said:
but isnt that part of the reason why we're spending boutique money in the first place?
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Not necessarily. Depends on your criteria. Some people highly value rarity and the strictly aesthetic art of the instrument.... yes, even though it doesn't affect function significantly, or even at all.

...if im spending 4k on something im going to want some noticeable differences.
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That's your criteria, and a perfectly reasonable one... it's just not the only criteria for some folks. :)
 
#156
mothra2 said:
+1

IME ebony on a fretted bass almost gets a bit of a banjo like character to it.
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Intriguing comparison, Mothra. I'm trying to imagine what a bass banjo -- I mean a 5-string with a low B -- would sound like. I've never thought that sustain is a high priority on a bass (other than as an indication that the strings are moving freely)...could be really cool (note http://xstrange.com/bassbanjo.htm). I think I'd like to get an LM-5 first, though.

-Steve
 
#157
steve9000gi said:
Intriguing comparison, Mothra. I'm trying to imagine what a bass banjo -- I mean a 5-string with a low B -- would sound like. I've never thought that sustain is a high priority on a bass (other than as an indication that the strings are moving freely)...could be really cool (note http://xstrange.com/bassbanjo.htm). I think I'd like to get an LM-5 first, though.

-Steve
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:eek:...Those are some deeply distubing images.
 
#159
I'm loving this green bass!
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