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Club Fbass (Part 4)

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I will be joining this club very soon. I've got kotzman's VF5 on it's way to me. I've been gassing for a Jazz bass so I hope it does the trick!
Wow! As the caretaker of this club, I'm excited to get YOU on board here, and knowing that we have similar tastes, (e.g. Pedulla), I'm VERY interested to read your impressions with the VF5.
 
Awesome! Which one was that again? Pics?

Here it is:

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I had JUST traded for my Skjold Lion's Pride P5, but I think i'm just more of a 2-pup kind of guy...and I love having a preamp. So we are in the process of swapping. Looks great huh??
 
Wow! As the caretaker of this club, I'm excited to get YOU on board here, and knowing that we have similar tastes, (e.g. Pedulla), I'm VERY interested to read your impressions with the VF5.

haha, well i'm glad my GAS could eventually lead me here :) Sadly I don't own a Pedulla anymore (although I do still run the club), but I hope to have one again at some point! Do I have to wait until its actually in my possession before I get a number? :hiding:
 
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I had JUST traded for my Skjold Lion's Pride P5, but I think i'm just more of a 2-pup kind of guy...and I love having a preamp. So we are in the process of swapping. Looks great huh??

I absolutely love that VF5!
I've been courting one a bit myself - sort of torn between VF and BN - I'll figure it out eventually, maybe...
 
with the question of whether my first FBass should be a VF5 or BN5.
I don't have access to compare the two. I mostly play funk, R&B, latin, jazz, and some progressive stuff. Mostly fingerstyle with a little slap and pick as needed. I love the jazz vibe for the bridge and slap tones but always found the traditional jazz neck pup to be lacking. In fact, the alternative for me would be a PJ set up but then the slap isn't quite right.
Maybe I need more than one bass but could the VF or BN give me what I need?
Thanks to anyone who has the time to reply.
 
with the question of whether my first FBass should be a VF5 or BN5.
I don't have access to compare the two. I mostly play funk, R&B, latin, jazz, and some progressive stuff. Mostly fingerstyle with a little slap and pick as needed. I love the jazz vibe for the bridge and slap tones but always found the traditional jazz neck pup to be lacking. In fact, the alternative for me would be a PJ set up but then the slap isn't quite right.
Maybe I need more than one bass but could the VF or BN give me what I need?
Thanks to anyone who has the time to reply.
IMHO, if you chose to go with a VF, I think you'd be on very familiar territory for that kinda' music, and at least for my tastes, there's definitely no lacking in the neck pickup in my VF. YMMV, but my thing with the BN's is they lack some of the aggression I crave.
 
From my experience I've found the BN series to have a little more of a wet, round sound
to them. The VFs are a little more dry and jazz bass like.

Here's a good example of the BN sound:
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Careful with those last two from Donovan... he's got a lot of the mids scooped on those. Sounds really nice, but definitely not the base tone of the VF.
 
IMHO, if money was LITERALLY no object (which I think you've already proven is not the case, since you're asking), I might do it. However, with that kind of upcharge (most builders/luthiers typically charge $200-500, and very rarely up to $1000 for an exotic top... very rarely), I'd very definitely NOT do it.

Not to single Vic out at all (I fully respect your opinion)... but I completely disagree with this.

George's exotic tops absolutely justify the $1800 up charge. It's not about the wood or top used... it's all in the design and labor involved in the execution of the woodwork. (when I get home tomorrow night, I will post pictures to further explain why.)

For now... I will say that at least with the BN series basses, the entire top (and it's pinstripe veneer in underneath) is a hand carved curved lamination!! This is (as far as I know) unseen in any other luthiers work... and seems to be based entirely on 'staying true' to the ergonomics and design of standard a non-topped BN series Fbass. In other words... to keep the top one thickness, curving with the body... instead of 'jointing' two (or three) pieces of wood together, and then carving in to shape afterwards. Also, keep in mind... this price also includes other curved laminations at the heel and headstock, cut from the very same piece of wood.

At any rate... this is the exact kind of thing that puts George a cut above the rest IMO!

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Pat.
 
IMHO, if money was LITERALLY no object (which I think you've already proven is not the case, since you're asking), I might do it. However, with that kind of upcharge (most builders/luthiers typically charge $200-500, and very rarely up to $1000 for an exotic top... very rarely), I'd very definitely NOT do it.
Not to single Vic out at all (I fully respect your opinion)... but I completely disagree with this.

George's exotic tops absolutely justify the $1800 up charge. It's not about the wood or top used... it's all in the design and labor involved in the execution of the woodwork. (when I get home tomorrow night, I will post pictures to further explain why.)
No need. You must not of read my whole post. Here's the critical piece you left out...

I'm sure he's charging appropriately for materials and time given his process. However, I think it's cost prohibitive as a result of what he has to charge.
I made it pretty clear I understood he had good reasons for charging what he does. HOWEVER, and this needs a big IMHO, that still doesn't justify the resulting upcharge amount for the BUYER.
 
BTW, this has been discussed MANY times here, but he has a comment right on his web site about pricing for tops and headstock veneers. It's a pretty well known thing.

BODY/TOP
*All tops include matching head & heel veneers (a $650 value)
**These prices seem high, but they reflect the amount of labour required to bend and glue the top to the carved contours of the body, the head veneer to the curved headstock, match the heel veneers and cut the matching pick-up covers from the top.

Also, his (at least MSRP) prices for tops/veneers goes up to $3200 as of 1/1/2008. Heck, that's what some builders/luthiers charge for an entire instrument!

I've met George and spoke with him in person many times, I think George is a fantastic guy, and makes amazing products, but IMHO, that upcharge is well above what's typical in the market, and I think a fair amount of sticker shock is justified.
 
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