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My AV '63 P has a round lam Rosewood board, yet still the tone of that bass is very much the rosewood tone, and very different than like say the alder bodied '58 P with a maple board I tried a while ago. So it doesn't take a lot rosewood to have impact IMO. And it's THE thing to with THE most difference on electrics; fingerboard wood. Seems almost counter intuitive, that little wood, but it's what I'm hearing and always has. I'm a real fan of woods, and on a Strat I strongly prefer rosewood over maple for the fretboard, and on a acoustic with steel strings; rosewood back and sides are what's IT for me. All my acoustics has that and I sold my D-18, it was just "not right". :p
I will also say my opinion on woods generally; and this will be me ranting a little (I've not had my coffee yet); that the difference in tone between a maple vs rosewood board on a bass is as dramatic as rosewood vs mahogany backs and sides on a acoustic; very distinct and characteristic difference, and easy to hear with all other variables being the same. Yet, on this forum (for some reason), some people just don't get that and the "Whoa, the electric bass is not an acoustic instrument" nonsense; and link to the "scientific" experiments, which are as scientific as the worst 911 conspiracy theories, you know?; the ones that's written by people who think they know physics, but in reality don't understand pretty basic stuff about the subject.; comes up all the time. That happens VERY rarely on say The Les Paul Forum and NEVER on the Martin forum (UMGF). And to think; people (those same people often) here has the nerve to call guitar players for "guit@rds". So bass players: oh, those guys! :p Well, they score high in confidence but low in education, or they have cabbages for ears. Ok, rant over. Sorry! ;)
Did the '58 Precision have the raised A string poles on the pickup? I understand the originals did from '57 to '59. If so, that would make a far bigger difference in tone than the fretboard wood--IMO, YMMV, etc.
 
The wait is agonizing...

Please say I'm not the only one who browses Sadowsky's Facebook and recently sold instruments page hoping to get a glimpse of what's to come.

There is a lot in the pipeline. Check out this fretting video we just posted that has one of the new single cut basses in it:
 
Did the '58 Precision have the raised A string poles on the pickup? I understand the originals did from '57 to '59. If so, that would make a far bigger difference in tone than the fretboard wood--IMO, YMMV, etc.

No. My friend replaced it with the 63; the "pure vintage 63 P pickup", which I think is the same as the AV '63 comes with as stock; exactly because of those raised pole pieces, which he couldn't get along with. So it was a A/B type situation. Same amp and even strings (medium XLs). I've since gone with Roto flats on my '63.
I'll probably get a '58 myself in time (for "P with rounds" tone) , and when I do; I'll put a Seymour Duncan SPB-1 in it; which I like a lot.
Anyway, I've had my coffee now, so I'm not so grumpy anymore! ;)
 
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Hmmm. I'm not too much in agreement with your generalization of bass players being uneducated and foolish;

It wasn't meant as a generalization of bass players as a whole, it was more of tounge in cheek thing. You know the :P without the tounge sticking out. ;)
But I'm a guitar player too, and when playing the bass or the guitar or whatever, I think and listen a lot like a producer. And bass players that impose themselves onto the music, trying to make their "statement" and showcase their style on everything, playing unmusical crap, really grind my gears, you know? But hey!; truth be told; I used to do the same when I was younger. I was a real gunslinger; I've ruined many a jam with uncalled for slaps and pops, harmonics, reharmonizations etc. ;) to show how off how technical or clever I was. So I can sympathize, and if I'd have to give one advise to get rid of that stuff, it would be to take up another instrument. And it works the other way around too, like guitar players benefit a lot from picking up the bass, I think. :)
 
I'm not Roger, but you might be interested to read this post that Roger just put up about the relationship of wood choice to instrument tone. His opinion is that wood choice is critical to the overall sound--which is the foundation for how your pickups sound. Read it for yourself, though (it's a good read): Wood and Sound in Amplified Guitars and Basses – Sadowsky Guitars
I’ve collected data on early ‘60s Jazz basses – 1st/12th fret neck thickness, weight, p/u dcr - to see if there was any science behind the early ‘60s Jazz bass mojo. To Roger’s comments -

1. “… the better the guitar or bass sounded acoustically, the better it sounded amplified…”

Early 60’s Jazz bass necks are <= .81” (1st), <=1” (12th). These basses played acoustically can have a fat deep sustain - I guess due to more mass/weight, and lower resonant frequency and fundamental.

2. “… the instruments that sounded the best acoustically tended to be the lightest in weight.”

Early 60’s Jazz bass weights range from 8 to 9 lbs+, with many around the mid 8 lbs.

Some additional items –

3. Fretboards changed from slab to veneer rosewood in late ‘62, so more maple in the neck.

4. Pickups - ‘61 and ’63 (enamel) p/u's can range from low to high 7 dcr, while ‘62's will be up in the 8’s, therefore more mids, less highs.

Having said all that, graphite bars, high mass bridges, HC pickups, pre-amps, new v played and so on all add to the equation today.
 
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It wasn't meant as a generalization of bass players as a whole, it was more of tounge in cheek thing. You know the :p without the tounge sticking out. ;)
But I'm a guitar player too, and when playing the bass or the guitar or whatever, I think and listen a lot like a producer. And bass players that impose themselves onto the music, trying to make their "statement" and showcase their style on everything, playing unmusical crap, really grind my gears, you know? But hey!; truth be told; I used to do the same when I was younger. I was a real gunslinger; I've ruined many a jam with uncalled for slaps and pops, harmonics, reharmonizations etc. ;) to show how off how technical or clever I was. So I can sympathize, and if I'd have to give one advise to get rid of that stuff, it would be to take up another instrument. And it works the other way around too, like guitar players benefit a lot from picking up the bass, I think. :)
Ahh, understood. Sure, no doubt players who do not hear the whole mix and do not act as team players are not optimal team members in an ensemble. They can even be quite irritating to work with. :cool:
 
There is a lot in the pipeline. Check out this fretting video we just posted that has one of the new single cut basses in it:


Why does my bass cost 5 grand? That's why. So much respect for the skill and craft that goes into "plays like butter". The rounding on the fret ends alone is probably $400 in labor cost. The level of play with such consistency at Sadowsky NYC inspires me in my own carrer.
 
Why does my bass cost 5 grand? That's why. So much respect for the skill and craft that goes into "plays like butter". The rounding on the fret ends alone is probably $400 in labor cost. The level of play with such consistency at Sadowsky NYC inspires me in my own carrer.

Also, Lisa is a total monster when it comes to things like fretting skills. Just because she makes it look fast and easy...it isn't! It takes a lot of skill and focus to be able to pull off what she does in the video.
 
Also, Lisa is a total monster when it comes to things like fretting skills. Just because she makes it look fast and easy...it isn't! It takes a lot of skill and focus to be able to pull off what she does in the video.
my PJ5 is impeccable...made by Lisa. Bought preowned and I love it!
 
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