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Club Sandberg (part 2)

I've found this one which is almost 100% identical to one I created using the configurator.
https://www.thomann.de/it/sandberg_california_ii_vm4_rw_cr_hg.htm

"VM" is be the configuration (P/H)
"4" is be the number of strings
"RW" is rosewood
"CR" is cream
"HG" is high gloss
What California II means? On the Sandberg website they're simply called "California".
Thanks.

California II refers to the new body shape that was updated in 2015, I believe. All new Sandberg California models now would technically be IIs, although it’s not always specified. I don’t think anything else changed other than body style between California I/II.
 
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Thanks. After reading several reviews and pretty much the entire thread I still have doubts about the pickups. This glossy cream model has Sanberg's "copy" of the Delanos, but they're voiced differently (maybe?). Sandberg black labels are definitely more well-liked compared to these. Delanos should be more modern/hi-fi sounding compared to all the Sandberg pickups. Is that correct?
 
Thanks. After reading several reviews and pretty much the entire thread I still have doubts about the pickups. This glossy cream model has Sanberg's "copy" of the Delanos, but they're voiced differently (maybe?). Sandberg black labels are definitely more well-liked compared to these. Delanos should be more modern/hi-fi sounding compared to all the Sandberg pickups. Is that correct?
The big pole Sandbergs are probably made by Delano (I have no evidence of this) to Sandberg's spec. I had an early VM4 that originally had Delanos on and the Sandbergs sounded less nasal on my bass when I replaced them. The reverse configuration probably had an effect too. They're good pickups but seem to have more high end than a vintage P pickup.

I went with the vintage voiced EMG Geezer Butlers on my VS4 after trying a few aftermarket options.
 
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Thanks. After reading several reviews and pretty much the entire thread I still have doubts about the pickups. This glossy cream model has Sanberg's "copy" of the Delanos, but they're voiced differently (maybe?). Sandberg black labels are definitely more well-liked compared to these. Delanos should be more modern/hi-fi sounding compared to all the Sandberg pickups. Is that correct?
Delano pickups are indeed hi fi sounding. To me that's not a bad thing at all, because it allows me to color my tone in other ways.
 
So Delano are more modern/hi-fi, big pole Sandberg are somewhat in the middle and black label Sanberg are more vintage?
I can't find anything about the difference between pickups.
I think that the Delanos and the big pole Sandbergs are both modern and hifi but are voiced differently. I found the Delano P to be more mid focused and the Sandberg more "open" sounding. Both are ceramic pickups I believe.
I haven't tried the Black Labels but from other's reports they aren't especially vintage either maybe?.
 
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Honestly, if I wanted a super vintage/muffled/dark sounding P bass (in a good way of course) I'd grab a good old Fender P. I love that classic sound, but I tend to prefer instruments that are more open sounding, with more air and definition. Treble/tone pot is always your friend, if you're looking for a darker tone. It's not the same, but it works. I just sent an email to Sandberg about the pickups and I'll report back as soon as they reply.
I have another question: is the bridge humbucker pickup always splittable? You do that with a push pull on a knob like the active/passive thing?
 
Honestly, if I wanted a super vintage/muffled/dark sounding P bass (in a good way of course) I'd grab a good old Fender P. I love that classic sound, but I tend to prefer instruments that are more open sounding, with more air and definition. Treble/tone pot is always your friend, if you're looking for a darker tone. It's not the same, but it works. I just sent an email to Sandberg about the pickups and I'll report back as soon as they reply.
I have another question: is the bridge humbucker pickup always splittable? You do that with a push pull on a knob like the active/passive thing?

I can split the coil on my TM4, but not on my VM4.
 
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Honestly, if I wanted a super vintage/muffled/dark sounding P bass (in a good way of course) I'd grab a good old Fender P. I love that classic sound, but I tend to prefer instruments that are more open sounding, with more air and definition. Treble/tone pot is always your friend, if you're looking for a darker tone. It's not the same, but it works. I just sent an email to Sandberg about the pickups and I'll report back as soon as they reply.
I have another question: is the bridge humbucker pickup always splittable? You do that with a push pull on a knob like the active/passive thing?
To be fair, most vintage Fenders that I've played have not been muffled or dark, with the Precisions it's true bottom end that they lack. It sounds like you may like the Sandberg big poles. My VS4 was too bright naturally and although the Geezers went some way to adding more body to the tone I ended up adding 1/2lb of weights in the control cavities (taking it to 8lbs) before I was truly happy with the core tone in a live situation.
 
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I never played one of these basses and I doubt I will, so I have some questions about the Calfornia VS/VT/VM models. I couldn't find anything on their website.
  • Is the neck a Jazz neck?
  • Is the back of the neck satin?
  • Neck profile/radius is the same for all the models?
  • Where's the active/passive switch?
  • Are the "J" pickups single coil or noiseless/humbuckers?
  • How's the control configuration for the VT/VM models? Volume/Volume/Bass/Treble? Volume/Balance/Bass Treble?
  • Mids control are not available in any of the V* models?
  • How do you control the tone in passive mode?
  • If you choose to NOT have dots on your fingerboard, do you have other visual references in the neck?
Thanks.

I saw that our pal Cuzzie gave you a thorough reply, but I'll just throw in a couple observations that might help with the overall picture. I bought a Sandberg Electra TT (Jazz copy) in mid March after a major G.A.S attack got me looking at everything Sandberg. The Electras are different from the 100% German builds - Electra parts are cut in Korea, assembled in Germany - but I found this out the hard way when I got my bass.

The necks on the Electras turn out to be 37mm at the zero fret. Sandberg's site was listing them as having the same 39.5mm width as their German 4-string models like the Californias and that was what convinced me to buy one - that neck width is just about my favorite. It was a little off-putting to receive my bass with a more-skinny-than-advertised neck, but also strange that the specs on their website were changed not so long after I received my bass. No, I didn't gripe to Sandberg about a bait-and-switch or anything. Just funky timing... or a cruel conspiracy :wideyed:

Our pals here have said that their 39.5mm Sandberg necks have a rather slim feel more in keeping with a typical J-bass than what's usually found with the more chunky neck of a P-bass, so that's encouraging. If the neck on my Electra is similar to the German necks with no dot inlays, I can tell you that my neck has side markers, which are what I rely on with any bass to spot my proper fretting hand position. This is probably the first "un-dotted" fingerboard I've ever owned and when I play this bass, I don't even notice the lack of dots.

The finish on the back of my neck is satin - I love it. Yes, this neck is more narrow than I prefer, but at least it widens out nicely toward the higher register and my bridge is the same fully adjustable one that comes with the German builds. With a set of my favorite strings on board and the action nicely dialed in, this Electra is pretty darned good considering that I got it on a clearance sale (brand new) for about $500.

Mine runs active/passive with a 2-band eq, a blend knob, and the master volume pulls up to switch to passive. In that mode I have no passive tone control. I've seen some basses from other labels that include a passive tone control in that mode, but I don't recall spotting that feature among the other Sandbergs when I started giving them a good hard look back in Feb.

This bass came to me new, but was built a few years ago. The J pickups are so far nice and quiet, but I haven't played this bass good and loud with the band yet. Don't know when that will happen. I'm loving the sounds I get when running both pickups and the eq flat (yummy, snappy modern J) or with the neck pickup solo'ed and the highs turned down (warm and wooly). It also sounds quite nice in passive mode - only a tiny difference in tone with the active preamp set flat vs. passive (and no real drop off in volume).

The 100% German models are probably a notch or two better than the build quality of the Electras - which are already quite good. I'm a little leery of the claims around here that many of the other models including the Californias have an ultra bright sound that's not universally well received. I'd have to try one for much more than just 5-8 mins. before going ahead with that sort of investment. The misrepresentation of the Electras was a turn-off for me, so I'd say I'm all set with Sandberg for now.
 
I saw that our pal Cuzzie gave you a thorough reply, but I'll just throw in a couple observations that might help with the overall picture. I bought a Sandberg Electra TT (Jazz copy) in mid March after a major G.A.S attack got me looking at everything Sandberg. The Electras are different from the 100% German builds - Electra parts are cut in Korea, assembled in Germany - but I found this out the hard way when I got my bass.

The necks on the Electras turn out to be 37mm at the zero fret. Sandberg's site was listing them as having the same 39.5mm width as their German 4-string models like the Californias and that was what convinced me to buy one - that neck width is just about my favorite. It was a little off-putting to receive my bass with a more-skinny-than-advertised neck, but also strange that the specs on their website were changed not so long after I received my bass. No, I didn't gripe to Sandberg about a bait-and-switch or anything. Just funky timing... or a cruel conspiracy :wideyed:

Our pals here have said that their 39.5mm Sandberg necks have a rather slim feel more in keeping with a typical J-bass than what's usually found with the more chunky neck of a P-bass, so that's encouraging. If the neck on my Electra is similar to the German necks with no dot inlays, I can tell you that my neck has side markers, which are what I rely on with any bass to spot my proper fretting hand position. This is probably the first "un-dotted" fingerboard I've ever owned and when I play this bass, I don't even notice the lack of dots.

The finish on the back of my neck is satin - I love it. Yes, this neck is more narrow than I prefer, but at least it widens out nicely toward the higher register and my bridge is the same fully adjustable one that comes with the German builds. With a set of my favorite strings on board and the action nicely dialed in, this Electra is pretty darned good considering that I got it on a clearance sale (brand new) for about $500.

Mine runs active/passive with a 2-band eq, a blend knob, and the master volume pulls up to switch to passive. In that mode I have no passive tone control. I've seen some basses from other labels that include a passive tone control in that mode, but I don't recall spotting that feature among the other Sandbergs when I started giving them a good hard look back in Feb.

This bass came to me new, but was built a few years ago. The J pickups are so far nice and quiet, but I haven't played this bass good and loud with the band yet. Don't know when that will happen. I'm loving the sounds I get when running both pickups and the eq flat (yummy, snappy modern J) or with the neck pickup solo'ed and the highs turned down (warm and wooly). It also sounds quite nice in passive mode - only a tiny difference in tone with the active preamp set flat vs. passive (and no real drop off in volume).

The 100% German models are probably a notch or two better than the build quality of the Electras - which are already quite good. I'm a little leery of the claims around here that many of the other models including the Californias have an ultra bright sound that's not universally well received. I'd have to try one for much more than just 5-8 mins. before going ahead with that sort of investment. The misrepresentation of the Electras was a turn-off for me, so I'd say I'm all set with Sandberg for now.

Welcome to Sandberg!

There will be the odd ‘quirk’ here are there across the range - because Sandberg I believe gives the closest luthier type experience from a company this is why.
Some distributors may specify certain features which may be slightly off the normal path, or even people configure a bass and then it hits the second hand market and you have an interesting bass which is not an aftermarket mod, but a before market mod!

Interesting about the neck - it sounds like it has the same Specs as my MarloweDK which is a fine neck indeed, I would say you have gotten very lucky there if it is that.

You are right about the 2 band EQ, it’s a preference thing and electrics are the easiest thing to change to suit.

Electra’s are fine fine models, not just for the price - I maintain this that the only reason I don’t have one is my love of a relic finish, or I would be quite happy!

This California’s and the Ultrabrite sound......... I hope no one takes offence, but I believe this comes from people not getting to grips or not wanting to get to grips with a different sound than they are used to. Remember that there are 4 types of commonly used makes of pick ups that come from the factory, and they are standard sized so you can plonk what you like in there, but having said that you can easily mould your sound with what is available, it’s easier to darken a brighter pick up as opposed to brighten a dark muddy pick up in the absence of being able to change if that was the case. i guarantee people will have moved whole bases on which suited them because of just the pick ups which is a waste, as opposed to doing what @kasbrey has done, or indeed pick the right pick up option from the start with a bit of research.
It’s like the FRFR vs voiced speaker coils debate - people often hate the more open sounding speakers because it’s not what they are used to.
I know I could make Delano’s work for example, but my preference is in general for a passive Sandberg with the Sandbergs be it normal or black label.

What I will say about Sandberg is they are one of the few manufacturers I would buy blind - you know the consistency and attention to detail is there, plus great customer service.
 
What I will say about Sandberg is they are one of the few manufacturers I would buy blind - you know the consistency and attention to detail is there,
Fully agree. Consistency of them is greater than of some of the higher priced boutique basses. I can buy them blind and it's a great thing when you can't check them out in the shop.
 
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it’s easier to darken a brighter pick up as opposed to brighten a dark muddy pick up in the absence of being able to change if that was the case. i guarantee people will have moved whole bases on which suited them because of just the pick ups which is a waste, as opposed to doing what @kasbrey has done.

To be fair to Sandberg I bought the bass with the intention of making it like my G&L L1000 with MFD pickups and treble and bass passive cuts but I didn't like the P shaped MFDs anywhere near as much as the Humbucker on my Wunkay.
It's exceptionally resonant though and I'm very fussy about what I want so it made sense to get it perfect for me..
 
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To be fair to Sandberg I bought the bass with the intention of making it like my G&L L1000 with MFD pickups and treble and bass passive cuts but I didn't like the P shaped MFDs anywhere near as much as the Humbucker on my Wunkay.
It's exceptionally resonant though and I'm very fussy about what I want so it made sense to get it perfect for me..

Aye - I only borrowed you as an example because on here and on BC I sort of get a picture of you knowing what you like, hence the pick up changes. I know it’s not because the stock ones are weak, you have specific goals in mind, I am not much different.

The main point I think for me is the build of the bass and the feel is probably the most important thing, and pick ups can go in and out as per choice, but I wouldn’t knock the stock pick ups of any variety.
I just think some people that knock things either don’t explore them properly, or don’t know what they are looking for
 
The big pole Sandbergs are probably made by Delano (I have no evidence of this) to Sandberg's spec. I had an early VM4 that originally had Delanos on and the Sandbergs sounded less nasal on my bass when I replaced them. The reverse configuration probably had an effect too. They're good pickups but seem to have more high end than a vintage P pickup.

I went with the vintage voiced EMG Geezer Butlers on my VS4 after trying a few aftermarket options.

you are correct on the Delanos