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Coating My Fender Fretless J Bass - Help

Guess I'm the odd man out :D

I defretted a Musicman Stingray 5 a few days ago. Filled in the cracks, and chips, with a colored, oil-based wood putty. Then sand-sand-sand-sand with 600-grit sandpaper. Thoroughly cleaned with alcohol. So far I'm really pleased with the shear range of high quality tones, including the Jaco tone. I haven't applied the polyurathaine yet. Going to do that over the next week. Looking for some urathaine recommendation. I think I read one brand name. No luck finding that one. Any others? Thanks a lot.

Special note:
Considering how ignored and forgotten bass players generally are, it's truly amazing how much impact one bass player (Jaco) can have....even 20 years after his untimely demise.....even after all the "incredible" technological advances we've made in instrument building, construction, pickups, amplification, etc. And still, everyone perfectly happy to just rip some frets out and go with it. Jaco truly was the greatest bass player in the world.
 
Ive been doing this for a few years, and at first i was really intimidated, but i would say if you are dead set on defretting a bass and epoxy coating, you can do it. Be careful defretting, as you can take your thumb off getting the knife under the end of the fret to get it started. As always i use painters tape on either side of the frets, and use a razor blade to lightly cut/score under the edges of each fret, then pull the frets up, starting at the far end with nippers. In addition, i use a soldering iron to heat the frets a little, dont scorch them, just a little warm to break free any glue that the previous owner may have used. Take your time, the more time you take, the better the neck will look.

filling fret lines is a simple process. I use CA (get that from a local hobby shop). I use thin CA first in each line to make sure everything holds together, then i use thick CA, sand the lines down to match the radius of the neck, I use a foam sanding pad and sand the length of the neck, not side to side. Warning, do not sand too hard or you will need to re-radius your neck. I normally wipe the neck off with a rag that has denatured alcohol on it to remove dust and any finger print oils.

The epoxy i use is slo-cure 30 minute (again this can be found at the hobby shop). make sure its 30 minute and not 5 minute. I mix equal amounts with a little (8-10 drops) of denatured alcohol (available at walmart or lowes). Spread the epoxy on witha 1" wide foam brush, make sure you have an even coat, wait a few minutes (about 5) and then use some really flexible squeegee material (I found some squeegee material at Pep Boys), and remove the excess, comes out like glass. With 30 minute slo-cure it will take about 8 hours to harden, make sure you allow enough time to fully cure. Thats all there is to it. One last thing, be sure to tape the sides and back of your neck up so that you dont have drips running down the sides of the neck. Clean the epoxy off your squeegee with denatured alcohol. I normally put 4 or 5 coats of epoxy on a neck, and i mean really thin coats. A picture of one of my necks is attached.

Enjoy
 
I just had my MIM Jazz defretted by a real pro who also filled the fret slots with strips of rosewood and drille dout the markers and filled them as well. He charged $100 and did a fantastic job. I didn't get the fretboard coated but he buffed it to a real shine. It sounds wonderfull but the Blue Steels were really cutting into the wood. I switched to Slinkys and they are way easier on the wood. I still think of coating the fretboard but am worried about not liking the tone.

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Hey you guys got any suggestions for giving my 1970 precision bass neck a cute little serial number on the back??? or where i can get some Fender j bass stickers for older or new necks?

Thanks, especially for the epoxy advice!

DK
 
i defretted and epoxy coated my rosewood board on my fender clone. pulled out the fretts inserted 1mm thick perspex to fill the gaps and epoxy'ed over the top.

i did it by applying a coat then getting the rubber from a windshield wiper and wiping the excess off leaving a thin coat.

leave to dry for 24 hours and repeat several times.

i did approximately 7 or 8 coats. its hard and smooth without sanding but i did run over it with very fine grit wet and dry paper and i did it wet... well moist.
 
Defretting isnt really that scary of a job to do. I have done this process many many times. Just finished refinishing my Acoustic Bass Guitar. DISCLAIMER I AM NOT RESPOSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES YOU DO TO YOUR BASS OR YOURSELF,YOUR HOUSE,OR YOUR DOG. DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK.

What You'll Need:
3M Blue Painters Tape $4
A Clothes Iron
SandPaper in the following grits: Remember the lowest the number the more rough itll be. A pack of 8 is ussually $3
60 grit
150 Grit
400 Grit
Denatured Alcahol $3
Mineral Oil$4
Wood Putty Same Color as your board, you might have to buy 2 colors and mix match the 2 so you have a better blend of ur wood color. I recommend Minwax they are small tubs that run for around $4
A Butter Knife
A 1inch Putty Knife, price ranges from style and quality starts at $4
Your Choise of Sealer, can be anything from:
Shelac(very thin coat sealer less durable of all sealers but brighter sound good for maple.)
Polyurathane: Medium Strenght sealer good for rosewood or any dark wood
Boat Spar:Very Thick, highly durable, good for any wood slight dampens treble notes, but gives you a thicker bassier sound.
Epoxy: There are many wood epoxy out there but the one I reccomend is System 3 Mirror Coat. Pretty much the holy grail of sealers. Easiest to maintain and apply best tonal response but the pricey and limit to online orders if you dont live near a distributor. ussually $40 a pint.
Pliers, needle nose is better,
Small Hammer Just Case
5 1inch Foam Brushes, 48 cents each

First if your bass neck can be removed do so, its alot easier on sanding and you wont get any dust on the body. If you cant just use 3m blue scotch tape that can be found at Home Depot, Lowe's etc. for around $4 bucks, tape around where the neck meets the the body and any pick ups or anything you feel should be protected. Now take off your strings clean your fingerboard and give a good rub of MIneral oil. Let the wood absorb the most that it can, rub it every 2 hours for 6 hours. Theory here is that you want to nurish the wood as much as you can once you seal that wood with a sealer, the wood inside would be mal nourished and dry and theres nothing you can do about it.

Second Now,get your tape and tape the edge of the fingerboard towards the neck and tape the outside edges of your frets.

Third Now heat up a clothes iron, and start at the 1 fret, move the iron up and down slowly over a rag. Do this so if you touch the wood with the iron it wont scortch the wood and gives more a gentle heat to wiggle out the fret and loosen up any glue.


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With your putty knife try to get inbetween where the fret meets the fingerboard and neck at the end, just to gently snug it and and give it slight play, once enough of the fret is lifted get your pliers and slowly pull up on the fret as even as you can. Now if you have the tape at the edges it should cleanly come off and not take any chuck of the fretboard with it.

5: repeat step 3 and 4 to all frets, you will get the hang of how to remove your frets by the 6th one or so.

7: Now with all your frets removed take off all the tape. Get a rag and clean the fretboard of any glue residue.

8. Get your wood putty and blend to desired shade of color if need it (just get the 2 colors in wat ever ratio you need and knead to desired color kinda like playdo). Get your butterknife and clean out any junk left in the holes your frets were preciously on. Jam putty with your fingers in to the gaps a little at a time and pack the putty in with the knife and rub a small layer of putty to finish it off. The reason why I like this puddy over any other method is cuz its the easiest, no need to file it or sand it or anything, Just press in. NOTE this type of puddy wont ever harden so you cant mess anything up.

9:Clean the fingerboard off any debri and start sanding. First start with you 60 grit. Dont apply too much force, when sanding sligtly cup your hand like a U to keep your radious. Just a very sligthly slack in your and and sand from left to right try not to stay in one spot or else it will become more even. After this initial sand your board will loose some of its color but thats ok. Now move to your lighter grit of 150. repeat the same process, and then the same for the 400. The reason for changes in grits is beause first you wanna start rouch to take out any imperfections in the wood, then lighter to clean up the scratches left by the previous sandpaper. Sand until the sandpaper trail is gone or satisfactory, I suggest rub the 400 a couple of times for the best results.


10:Clean the board with the alcahol to remove any dust and oil and let the alcahol dry out for 5 mins or so.

11:The most important part the sealer. Read the instructions of the can and see how its intented to be put on, every sealer is different but ussually consist of:(for this tutorial im using the boat spar)

Do not shake can before opening, stir well and be in a well ventilated room, turn of any fans or source of wind.
Now with your foam brush dip it half way into can and remove any excess of the foam(just rub the outside against the rim of can and give a slight press on the lip of the can to remove a little of the excess.
Start at the thinest point of your neck and with one motion move all the way to the end of your neck, try to keep your wrist straight and dont stop. Then ussually a little bit of your fretboard will be left unsealed, flip your brush to the side that you didnt use and move up to the fretboard and coat whatever you missed.

Now wait for the surface to dry if you want to do another coat, with boat spar and epoxys u dont need to sand the surface again to apply another layer, with shalac and polyurathane sanding is needed for every layer.

I suggest at least 3 coats of sealer apply a layer every 5 hours or so or when ever surface is no longer tacky or sticky. Drying times depends on weather, humidity, thickness of coats and the wood you sealed.

If any airbubbles have appered you can blow them out with any blowtorch lighter. Move the flame 6 inches away from surface and just move the flame up and down till the bubble poped try not to stay in the same place.

Wait 12 hours after your last layer and test the surface get a tooth pick and poke in a inconspicuous area of the fingerboard to check if try, this is alos good to check the sealer inbeetween coats. after 18 hours your bass is ready to be restrung and tuned. Play the bass lightly for the next 2 days and check your intonation and the bow of your neck, check for any buzzess or any dead spots. Take to a guitar tech if you are unconfortable with the precise tuning of your instrument.

Have your favorite drink and play some tunes, your are done!

I have used all types of sealers and by far my favorite is boat spar. Shalac wears to thin and poly isnt as full sounding. Spar is slightly cheaper than MIrror coat and if your a beginner in wood working itd be easier to mess up with a $3 dollar can of shallac than a $40 can of MIrror coat. Foam Brushes are better than bristhles because foam applys more of a even and smooth coat than a bristle ever could.

Also sorry for this super long post with no pictures. I hope this answers and questions, and maybe this can be stickeyd I read alot on the internet, how people are always confused by something about fretless boards and I hope this made the process a whole lot easier to understand cheers.

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