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Double Bass College Auditions 2006
- Thread starter PaulCannon
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PaulCannon said:
So what makes the Audition Winners thread ambiguous? It's clearly listing winners of auditions for full time positions (including one-year full-times) in ICSOM orchestras, as well as WHERE the winners came from. Pretty sure it's being clear and as comprehensive as can be.
So whether you go by percentages or bulk numbers, you still get a pretty clear picture of what's going on over-all in the full time audition circuit.
If you're looking for professional orchestral employment, it seems a pretty darn useful starting point.
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The list on this forum only lists the auditions that someone on here knows about. I'm sure it doesn't list every single audition for a paying orchestral job, even within the United States. Many of the people on the list are only credited with their previous job, and doesn't mention where they went to school. None of them mention who their teacher was.
It only dates back about nine years. Most teachers have been in the business longer than that. I also think that in those nine years, there would have been more than 67 auditions.
I think the list is a good start. However, there ought to be a more comprehensive list available.
It only dates back about nine years. Most teachers have been in the business longer than that. I also think that in those nine years, there would have been more than 67 auditions.
I think the list is a good start. However, there ought to be a more comprehensive list available.
Am I the only one that thinks that you should choose the college that you think you would personally do best in? Although looking at the succes rate after college is an important statistic to look at when applying to schools, I don't think it should at all be the final determinate of where you decide to go.
Let's say you only get into MSM and IU when you audition for colleges. From the data available, IU seems to have a much a better job placement than MSM. But if you hate the idea of a large, extremely competitive music school, and you love everything about MSM, then MSM should be the obvious choice.
Yeah, I'm young and I may not know what I'm talking about, but it makes more sense to me if you base one of the most important decisions of your life on your own chances of success rather than others.
Let's say you only get into MSM and IU when you audition for colleges. From the data available, IU seems to have a much a better job placement than MSM. But if you hate the idea of a large, extremely competitive music school, and you love everything about MSM, then MSM should be the obvious choice.
Yeah, I'm young and I may not know what I'm talking about, but it makes more sense to me if you base one of the most important decisions of your life on your own chances of success rather than others.
Karl I think the list is amazing and has more then enough info for the readers
paul, you are just an idiot
obviously the list could go past 9 years, but for almost a decade worth of audition winning list, wouldn't you be able to decipher a trend of where is winners are coming from? and why?
paul, you are just an idiot
obviously the list could go past 9 years, but for almost a decade worth of audition winning list, wouldn't you be able to decipher a trend of where is winners are coming from? and why?
It is a great list and we all appreciate it. Paul isn't an idiot (he got in to rice as freshman!) but it should be noted that going to IU doesn't automatically equal a job, as going somewhere other than IU doesn't automatically equal failure in life.
It's great that the IU guys have pride for their school and they should as they clearly have dominated in the past years. Being at a school with 40 or so other bass players and two amazing teachers is obviously a great formula for success, but not the ONLY option.
It's great that the IU guys have pride for their school and they should as they clearly have dominated in the past years. Being at a school with 40 or so other bass players and two amazing teachers is obviously a great formula for success, but not the ONLY option.
TheGrayBassGuy said:
I'm obliged to agree with this and take it one step further to say that programs like IU attract more bassists who are completely and absolutely focused on becoming a bassist in a professional orchestra. They will produce more audition winners, statistically, than a school that also appeals to players interested in other things like teaching and composition or other performance venues. Just a thought..?
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Excuse me?ineedajob said:
I have some legitimate problems with the list, and instead of answering them, you go ahead and call me an idiot. Why don't we discuss this like grown-ups and leave out the insults for a while?
Nine years would probably be plenty of data, but the data is half missing. The first three years only post a handful of audition results. And, as I said, there could be more useful information to it that isn't shown. I'm not saying kpo is lazy. The list is very useful, but it doesn't give a complete picture.
Also, I was under the impression that the list was started with the intent of merely tracking winners of major auditions, not providing detailed information for college applicants. I'm saying that it would be very helpful for some people if such a thing existed.
No, you're not. I've been trying to say this entire time that the teacher is the most important thing. The importance of the list, in this context, is mainly for people looking for colleges know who to look at.TheGrayBassGuy said:
Ugh...let's not go where this seems to be heading. Folks, it's just a message board. Ones and zeros in cyberspace. Let's please keep boxers in a state of unbunchitutde and try to be civil so this thread can stay open, what?
Kam said:
This certainly seems to be true, and at IU it has resulted in an alarming drop in the number of bassists in the jazz program. Here, there is no jazz bass teacher, and it has been the tradition that bassists in the jazz program would just study with the classical teachers. This worked very well in the days of talented bassists who weren't focused solely on landing an orchestra job--players like Robert Hurst, Todd Coolman, John Clayton, Edgar Meyer, and Mike Valerio (maybe not so well-known, but he's one of the busiest classical-and-jazz bassists in L.A.). There was plenty of room for bassists of varying goals. But now, the program has really gained prestige, and the two studios are full of extremely talented and motivated bassists gunning for a good orchestra gig and who only got where they are by focusing on one thing--the orchestra/classical bag--with no room left for the undecided all-around bassist. I can't say whether this is a good thing or a bad thing (hey, we've got some serious bass players around here, and it may just push the administration to accept that hiring a dedicated jazz bass teacher is worth the money), but I personally get creeped out a bit by the determined focus of some of the students here. I had no idea what my own adulthood would be like at the age of 17, when I was a freshman trombone/history major...and there are other things about the collegiate experience aside from the career planning that are of very great importance (smelling the roses, falling in love, taking some classes here and there in subjects you've never even imagined just to see what they're all about) that should factor into one's choice of where to go to school.
Justin K-ski said:
Shouldn't that be "...and awayyy we go?.."
Well , I think most of you are getting way out of line. Not to mention scrutinizing music schools like an actuary figuring out insurance rates.
First of all....WHO CARES.....? OK I would for one.
But really isn't it also true that good students make good teachers.
The main feeling I get here is who is scoring the most points and basically a lot of grandstanding. OK maybe it's teenage hormones.....
That's why I started the discussion of why do you go to school in the first place.
But I do think it is a sad state when young musicians at the start of their careers only can bicker about who's soon to be guru has the best stable of young studs.
My name should be on that list too. But I don't care. It is not important.
I remember when I got in to school I did so because i wanted the best musical environment. Of course job placement was important but I figured i'd take it as it came. Learning the bass takes forever ...
Why are these stat so important to you....
let"s not forget that besides the guys from whatever class that win auditions, there's the guys that win and don't get tenure because they don't know how to do a good job day to day and the countless others that play terrible auditions time after time from the same colleges.
I didn't go to a fancy school, but I worked hard, listened to concerts and recordings and tried to improve a little every day. I was certainly not cocky and maybe that's what saved me. I'm also extremely glad that the internet happened after my school days, because I would have wasted precious PRACTICE TIME in front of my screen.
buzz
I didn't go to a fancy school, but I worked hard, listened to concerts and recordings and tried to improve a little every day. I was certainly not cocky and maybe that's what saved me. I'm also extremely glad that the internet happened after my school days, because I would have wasted precious PRACTICE TIME in front of my screen.
buzz
Hey, I saw everyone else was posting where they were going. I got accepted at Indiana University, Michigan State University, CCM, and Oberlin. I got scholarship everywhere, too. I got $16,000 a year to IU, $17,000 a year to MSU, $8,000 a year to CCM, and $12,000 a year plus $11,200 in grants to Oberlin. I eventually decided on Indiana University although it was a really hard choice 
Here are my final results.
Lynn University - Accepted
CCM - Accepted
Juilliard - Waitlisted
I'm going to CCM next year. I can't wait to study with Mr. Laszlo, and the school is great and hey, I can always study with Levinson at Aspen.
Lynn University - Accepted
CCM - Accepted
Juilliard - Waitlisted
I'm going to CCM next year. I can't wait to study with Mr. Laszlo, and the school is great and hey, I can always study with Levinson at Aspen.
Good for you. Al Laszlo's a good guy. You'll learn a lot from him. All of his students really love him.
Congrats Lauren on IU!!!!
Also Congrats to Sibass89 on CCM!!!
Rest assured Laszlo is the ****!!! You will be welcomed with open arms here, I'm a student at CCM and I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. I look forward to meeting you.
Lata,
Cassidy Morgan
Also Congrats to Sibass89 on CCM!!!
Rest assured Laszlo is the ****!!! You will be welcomed with open arms here, I'm a student at CCM and I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. I look forward to meeting you.
Lata,
Cassidy Morgan
