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COMBO PROBLEMS
- Thread starter Fred Mott
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Why do you need the "wattage"? -- more power through few speakers just means blown speakers, not more volume. If you want more volume, you need more speakers.
I dont know of any that produce that type of wattage internally. A bunch of them do with an extension cabinet.
Quite honestly there are usually limitations within these combos that would not do 400 to 500 watts of power justice.
A better alternative would be an Avatar TB153 cab @ 4 ohms, plus a Carvin BX500 head, which is 500w at 4 (or 2) ohms.
The BX500 + TB153 together costs a little over 800 bucks. The TB153 is a mighty 15, 3-way cab with a super heavy duty woofer.
This gives you the option, although you will never need it with that cab, of adding another TB153 cab for a monster stack!
There arent any combos in that price-range that can outperform this half-stack, IMO.
Quite honestly there are usually limitations within these combos that would not do 400 to 500 watts of power justice.
A better alternative would be an Avatar TB153 cab @ 4 ohms, plus a Carvin BX500 head, which is 500w at 4 (or 2) ohms.
The BX500 + TB153 together costs a little over 800 bucks. The TB153 is a mighty 15, 3-way cab with a super heavy duty woofer.
This gives you the option, although you will never need it with that cab, of adding another TB153 cab for a monster stack!
There arent any combos in that price-range that can outperform this half-stack, IMO.
Exactly. There are some good combos out there, but the majority in that price range are not loud enough for stage use and typically have "budget/cheaper" speakers to reach a price point. There are some cases where combo amps can work out well, but if you are playing with a gigging rock band with a medium hitting drummer or louder, you need a better speaker cabinet.
Why are you avoiding an extension speaker and separate head?
This looks good -- I may have taken the OP a little too literally; a multispeaker combo would be a good choice in this setting.
I dont know of any that produce that type of wattage internally. A bunch of them do with an extension cabinet.
Quite honestly there are usually limitations within these combos that would not do 400 to 500 watts of power justice.
A better alternative would be an Avatar TB153 cab @ 4 ohms, plus a Carvin BX500 head, which is 500w at 4 (or 2) ohms.
The BX500 + TB153 together costs a little over 800 bucks. The TB153 is a mighty 15, 3-way cab with a super heavy duty woofer.
This gives you the option, although you will never need it with that cab, of adding another TB153 cab for a monster stack!
There arent any combos in that price-range that can outperform this half-stack, IMO.
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Much better than a combo amp and always room to expand?change around.
I might have done the same thing.
Fred Mott - are you using this setup for church playing? The GK MB 212 would be a great setup. The MB series are actually really loud and can out more sound/volume than the Ampeg models in similar price ranges. It might be exactly what you need.
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Just for example... and they have this in a 4x10 combo, too.
1210 Combo
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Trace Elliot Guide to 12-Band Units
(Ref: 03600050)
Specifications
Preshape circuit.
Valve drive circuit.
12-band classic Graphic Equalizer.
Dual-band Compressor with separate controls for each Hi and Lo bands.
Effects Loop with hi-pass/lo-pass/full range outputs, Left/Right/Mono returns, Series/Parallel switch and Level control.
Output Mute switch, active on all outputs except Tuner Out.
Electronically balanced XLR DI outputs for Pre Eq and Post Preamp Left & Right.
Left and Right Line Outputs.
Additional speaker output (8 Ohms minimum load).
600 Watts (4 Ohms) output stage (with additional speaker cabinet).
Two 10 (254mm) special design Celestion speakers.
High frequency horn with variable attenuation.
Footswitch allowing control of Preshape, Valve drive, Graphic EQ, Compressor, Effects Loop and Output Mute.
Cabinet tuned, with bottom unobstructed slot, to 40Hz.
Lightweight poplar plywood construction.
Original classy black pimple covered.
Metal handles and protective corners.
Dimensions (HxWxD): 24.5'' (622mm) x 24.2'' (615mm) x 13.2'' (335mm)
Weight: 86.9lbs (39.5kg)
Related Products
TE Covers (Included)
BFC-6 (Included)
Owner's Manual
1210 Combo
Hi Res : 1030 KB
Trace Elliot Guide to 12-Band Units
(Ref: 03600050)
Specifications
Preshape circuit.
Valve drive circuit.
12-band classic Graphic Equalizer.
Dual-band Compressor with separate controls for each Hi and Lo bands.
Effects Loop with hi-pass/lo-pass/full range outputs, Left/Right/Mono returns, Series/Parallel switch and Level control.
Output Mute switch, active on all outputs except Tuner Out.
Electronically balanced XLR DI outputs for Pre Eq and Post Preamp Left & Right.
Left and Right Line Outputs.
Additional speaker output (8 Ohms minimum load).
600 Watts (4 Ohms) output stage (with additional speaker cabinet).
Two 10 (254mm) special design Celestion speakers.
High frequency horn with variable attenuation.
Footswitch allowing control of Preshape, Valve drive, Graphic EQ, Compressor, Effects Loop and Output Mute.
Cabinet tuned, with bottom unobstructed slot, to 40Hz.
Lightweight poplar plywood construction.
Original classy black pimple covered.
Metal handles and protective corners.
Dimensions (HxWxD): 24.5'' (622mm) x 24.2'' (615mm) x 13.2'' (335mm)
Weight: 86.9lbs (39.5kg)
Related Products
TE Covers (Included)
BFC-6 (Included)
Owner's Manual
If I understand you correctly, this means you're not sure when you might need more volume, right? In this case, you will need either more speakers of your own, or PA reinforcement. An amplifier's power actually adds very little to the equation once you get to the 400-500 W range. If you want to double your perceived volume through the same speaker setup, you need approximately 10 times the power. Of course, if you increase your power from the 400 W or so that most 210/212 combinations can reasonably comfortably handle to 4000 W through the same setup, you'll be scraping it off the walls.
Here is my problem, I just had shoulder surgery and they had to put a couple of screws in it. I am okay but trying to lighten the load. My doctor suggested I should. I made a trip to Austin took my Schroeder 310212 to his house , and he is going to try to sell it for me. He has it on Craigslist in Georgetown Tx. It's a 95pd cab. But mint condition. I have not a lot of money to spare right now. I thought since he live's close to Austin he may have a better chance of selling it Plus my wife got to see her sister. The feed back I get from you guys will really help.
With respect to your shoulder, you're better off with several small pieces of kit than one large one. Ultimately, it's probably also better for your wallet, because you can start small and add later as need demands and resources allow.
Honestly, wattage will not buy you volume, only speakers will. ANY combo amp you buy that has a single 15, or pair of 10's, will be limited in volume due to too few speakers, not because it has less wattage. What you want, shoulder injury aside, is more speakers, every time. I can't stress this enough, wattage is NOT the answer, more speakers are.
I was thinking something like the Hartke LH1000. I could use maybe one side at 500 watts with a 210 neo cab , then for larger gigs add another 210 neo and bridge it are 15. But the Schroeder 310212 has to go. What do you think. May be the Hartke H5210C, bigger gigs add Hartke Hydrive 15
How about a pair of 1x12 or 2x10 cabs and a class D micro head? You have to make two trips, but everything is smaller, lighther and easier to move around.
The LH1000 is around 30 lbs, I think, so far from crazy heavy. It's a lot of power into just a few small speakers though. No single 210 cabinet is going to sound good with even close to 500 W into it, assuming it survives the ordeal. Each side of that amp would easily get the most out of a 410 (or 2 x 210s).
JB36 has a good suggestion -- Class D head you can lift with one finger and one or more lightweight cabs according to need/resources.
