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Confessions of a flatwound convert pt 2.

Thanks guys. This thread changed my life.

I started playing bass back in '71 or so. I remember flatwounds being dull and thuddy. I've used rounds since the mid '70s.

Well, Chromes ain't your grandpa's flats. Right away, they did something really musical for my whole rig. It was like the whole EQ of the rig just snapped into focus. The controls on my amp were more musical, I didn't have to tweak the mid and tweeter levels on my Acme cab - just ran 'em full up.

It will be another week before I can try this with a my live band. I'm really looking forward to it.

I can see how they could get even better. The D and G strings still sound kind of zingy, but I definitely here that cool midrange thing going on.

Stick with them...... the D and G zing will go away soon enough. To be honest, I really don't like the sound of new chromes...... not at all. But you have to stick with them. Roll the tone off a bit to tame the zing. After a couple months of diggin' into 'em, the zing will go away, and you'll be left with those singing mids! It's sorta like breaking in a new baseball glove.

Granted, they don't thump like Labellas on their own.... but they will with a bit of muting under the strings at the bridge.
 
I switched to Chromes.. and what a difference.. the TONE I have always wanted is there.. the highs and mids are simply more even now.. there's a "thump" that was never there before.. it just brought my tone to life.. especially via an SVT setup..
 
I just put D'Addario XL Half-rounds onto my Acoustic Bass (if that counts..). I play with a pick and was really surprised how much more control I have over my tone. The bronze-phosphor rounds I had on previously made a lot of string noise, and it was a challenge to keep the other strings from ringing. After a few sessions with the half-rounds, the difference is almost distracting, I enjoy them so much.
 
have been playing flats for years,, been thru the majority of brands

didn't like the chromes whatsoever
the 760fl's were nice, but i needed more mids
TI's,,, all mids, & too floppy,, needed more thump
Pyramid Golds, i liked quite a bit, but still felt that they were lacking

then i found the flats that i've been searching for, crazy as it sounds, as i've spent hundreds in my search

webstrings Detroit SS Flats, at $16.99 a pop,, they've got the tension i prefer,, the thump,, singing mids,,nice crisp top,, play 'em with a pick,, fingers,, & even slap

ABSOLUTELY LOVE 'EM
 
I figured that I might give their bass strings a try at some point (I actually, used to use their round bass strings).

Could you elaborate a bit more on the differences between the webstrings and Chromes? Tension? Other?

Thanks.

have been playing flats for years,, been thru the majority of brands

didn't like the chromes whatsoever
the 760fl's were nice, but i needed more mids
TI's,,, all mids, & too floppy,, needed more thump
Pyramid Golds, i liked quite a bit, but still felt that they were lacking

then i found the flats that i've been searching for, crazy as it sounds, as i've spent hundreds in my search

webstrings Detroit SS Flats, at $16.99 a pop,, they've got the tension i prefer,, the thump,, singing mids,,nice crisp top,, play 'em with a pick,, fingers,, & even slap

ABSOLUTELY LOVE 'EM
 
What gauge?

- just as much in the mids, but more tension than TI's
- just as much thump, but less tension than LaBell FL's

You've got me salivating here.
Thanks.



have been playing flats for years,, been thru the majority of brands

didn't like the chromes whatsoever
the 760fl's were nice, but i needed more mids
TI's,,, all mids, & too floppy,, needed more thump
Pyramid Golds, i liked quite a bit, but still felt that they were lacking

then i found the flats that i've been searching for, crazy as it sounds, as i've spent hundreds in my search

webstrings Detroit SS Flats, at $16.99 a pop,, they've got the tension i prefer,, the thump,, singing mids,,nice crisp top,, play 'em with a pick,, fingers,, & even slap

ABSOLUTELY LOVE 'EM
 
i guess the TI's arent " all mids " but you gotta admit that they're a VERY mid pronounced tone :smug: ( not trying to kick anybody's cat )

i'm running the Detroit Flats in both med & light gauge

mediums on my G&L wunkay
lights on my Hoppus Jazz, ( which is really a P )

& to be honest, they don't quite have the thud factor of the fl"s or the Golds on the E string, i'd say it has more definition to it which i prefer, but it's easy to dial up thud with the eq if that's what you're into
 
I think Sundogue should be given D'Addario endorser status for all of the Chromes this thread has sold!

Seriously, I was begining to think my P w/ chromes was sounding a little too dead. So, I did the total anti-flats thing - I put on a new set. Once I got them broken in I was right back to that tone I had come to love. Still, not bad, I got almost a year of playing out of them, and I play A LOT. I practice by myself for about an hour a night after the kids go to bed, I teach for three hours on Thursday nights, plus all of the rehearsals and gigs with my band. I'd have easily gone through 15 sets of rounds in that time.

Sundogue, you da man. Thanks, again, for starting this thread.
 
I think Sundogue should be given D'Addario endorser status for all of the Chromes this thread has sold!

Seriously, I was begining to think my P w/ chromes was sounding a little too dead. So, I did the total anti-flats thing - I put on a new set. Once I got them broken in I was right back to that tone I had come to love. Still, not bad, I got almost a year of playing out of them, and I play A LOT. I practice by myself for about an hour a night after the kids go to bed, I teach for three hours on Thursday nights, plus all of the rehearsals and gigs with my band. I'd have easily gone through 15 sets of rounds in that time.

Sundogue, you da man. Thanks, again, for starting this thread.

You are welcome...and many thanks.

Way back when I started the first thread on this, I was only expressing my thoughts on what I found to be true for me. Never did I think it would turn into this extremely long dialogue that has helped change the culture of string choice, or more importantly the culture of thinking about the bass player's role in music. What amazes and moves me most about the longevity of this thread (or continuation of the original one) is that it became not just a dialogue about strings, but of how and where the bass fits into music. That it actually has gone on this long (in the Strings forum no less) is nothing short of a tribute to what the bass is all about and just why we play bass and not guitar.

I am pleased that it has at least opened the minds of many who viewed flatwounds as just an old, outdated dull string used on recordings back when it was the only string choice available. But I am even more pleased that it has helped many who had gotten into a rut and fell into the abyss of "Cut Through the Mix Syndrome".

Read all the threads on this syndrome and one will understand just why many still are trying to do just that and haven't really understood why. They try to sound more like a guitar and then wonder why they can't separate themselves from the sound of the guitars, no matter what bass, rig or settings they use.

The first thread, especially at the beginning had A LOT of heated debate on flats versus rounds, which was never my intention. I still use rounds myself at times. It's all about context and most arguments about string choice in the early parts of the first thread left out the context. I was not trying to change anyone's mind, but only attempting to open it to possibilities.

Where would music be, or more to the point, where would bass players role in music be without the advancement of roundwounds? Entwistle, Squire, Geddy, Stanley, et al really changed the landscape of bass playing and that has not been lost on me, yet all the while many who are not ever going to be in that position of essentially "fronting" the band's sound lost the idea of what bass playing is all about. And thus, they relegated flatwound use to those that only wish to be in the background...like that was a bad thing!

It would be easy to just say flats are dull and only serve one purpose...that "one trick pony" thing, yet many bass players are really frustrated guitar players who just don't get (and understandably don't want to get) the purpose of playing bass in the first place. They don't want to be supportive to the rest of the band, they want it all. And I certainly can appreciate that point of view, even while I don't subscribe to it.

Sometimes less is more. While that is certainly true of notes played, it is also true of sonic space. We can debate the validity of my argument, but there is no debate that the more sonic space we fill the more difficult it is to hear ourselves among the other instruments who also share that space.

Obviously my original post struck a nerve far beyond string choice. I find that the most satisfying aspect of this thread. There are enough people who have "converted" (as it were) over to flats for the very reason I originally posted about to know that my thoughts on the subject are justified. For that, I'm really grateful.

As far as "endorser" status...well, if D'Addario wants to throw some Chromes my way, I'd be happy to take a few packs from them, but we all know that ain't going to happen and even if it did, we also know that we don't need more than a single pack of them (unlike the roundwounds where a person could really benefit from getting 12 free packs of strings a year ;)).

OK...enough from this blowhard. :D Carry on.

EDIT: For those who may have come to this thread late, and aren't aware of the original thread (Started almost two years ago in February of 2009...with almost 1500 posts and over 90,000 views)...you can find it here...

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=519803&highlight=confessions

EDIT #2: Wow, I just realized I'm coming up on my 10th year of being here on Talkbass. Which just shows that anyone can waste enough time online if they really put their mind to it. :)
 
So I got to try Chromes in a live mix for the first time yesterday. Rig was MIM Jazz with passive Barts, Thunderfunk 420 head, Acme Low B2 4 ohm cab. I had my head set almost entirely flat, just a bit of Treble rolled off. Cab mid and horn controls set to sound flat to my ears: mid ~70%; horn ~40%.

Overall, I liked what I heard. E string notes especially were just a lot more musical in the mix. Very firm, tight and authoritative; not boomy at all. I always felt that with rounds, the E string was somewhat missing in action unless I used a more modern contour with the T-Funk Enhance control (I had it set fully CCW yesterday).

I want to preface my next remarks by mentioning that I am one of those guys who is primarily a guitarist and who doubles on bass. But I have been playing bass since the early '70s, so I do have some experience. I'm in one of those seasons of life where I am playing quite a lot of bass. Although people generally like my bass playing, I always feel that my personal struggle is to think like a bass player. I really admire those among us who are bassists in their DNA. You're my heroes.

I dug the fact that the Chromes seemed to be "telling me truth" about what I was doing if that makes any sense. Some riffs and turnarounds that worked well with rounds, did not work very well at all with Chromes. But, those very same things could probably benefit from some editing and a more economical approach. So while I had to make some adjustments, I always appreciate something that makes my rig more musical and/or truthful. I feel that Chromes do that.

I'm hooked.
 
Great thread!
I have chromes on the way for my jazz bass. First set of flats in a few years but after putting on a old set of GHS flats I had in the closet it was like what was I thinking going back to rounds. I'll keep nickel rounds on my P for the time being but will probably put some flats on her too once I sort out what gauge I like. I've grown used to light gauge strings the last few years so I ordered the Chromes in super soft. Hope they still sound good in the lighter gauge, my guess is they will.