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Who said it wasn't about the music? I tend to like using gear to play music on. Without it, it's rather quiet.
Nice entertainment folks.
Yeah, this is long...but hear me out and see if some of this doesn't ring true for some of you...it may sound familiar...
This is coming from someone who has been a roundwound string player for 30 years of gigging in mostly rock cover/original bands. Hopefully this might give those who might be thinking of trying flatwounds some insight if you switch over. Since switching over to flats, I have come to find a few things that (as a roundwound player with admitted disdain for flats) are really misconceptions about flats. Every time I've tried flats I really hated my tone when practicing or playing by myself. Too dull. I tried them on gigs on and off over the years, but always with the idea I wasn't going to like them anyway, so I never gave them a fair chance.
For those who might be considering switching to flats but may not dig that 'dull' sound when you first put them on and play by yourself, I can relate. When I first tried them they sounded dull and all I got with mids and highs boosted was a lot of fingerboard clack. I had conditioned myself to expect that piano like brilliance and sustain with new strings so when I put flats on for the first time they just sound like very old, dull roundwounds but with no sustain at all. I messed around with my EQ trying to obtain that old familiar roundwound sound but just couldnt find it. The flats look good on the bass and they feel great and I keep trying and trying to like them, but I just aint digging them. I keep thinking I just need to give them some time but honestly I cant even hold out long enough to do that. Like opening the fridge over and over expecting something tasty to suddenly appear in there where there wasnt anything before, I keep picking my bass up hoping that maybe this time the flatwounds will sound good. I mess around with my amp yet again, but they still wont sound like rounds. Sound familiar?
Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, John Entwistle those were the cats I was always trying to emulate. Busting my chops trying to cop their licks and be the best bass player I could be. It was all about ME and MY sound. I had to have that distinct, growly, bright roundwound sound. But honestly in the 30 years of gigging in rock bands, only one band did covers of Rush, Yes or the Who. Over the last few years, it was Wooten, Clarke, and a host of other lead bass guitar players that were inspiring my quest to advance my playing. I got hung up on the never ending buzz here on Talkbass about lightweight amps and cabs, active basses and the love for the monster players who were really noticed for their own individual style (as if any band they might be in was even relevant). I want to be the best bass player I can be so of course I should keep trying to emulate those slapping, popping, wankfest monsters too, right? Interesting that none of these awesome bass players today play the kind of music I love, which is hard rock. Not metal, and not necessarily the root/eighth note drones but good driving rock and roll. What was I thinking?
Currently the band Im playing in (like most others I played in) is all classic, hard rock. Besides the drummer, we have two guitarists and a keyboardist. Surely I need those bright roundwounds in order to stand out among them, right? A funny thing happened to me at a gig a couple months ago. The drummer and I were always talking about the powerful rhythm sections of bands we covered. It got me thinking of my role as a bass player. For years I wanted people to notice me and my bass playing instead of thinking of how we could be this powerful force of what makes rock music what it is.
One gig (while still playing roundwounds) I went out front during soundcheck and really paid attention to how the rhythm section sounded. Normally I would be thinking only about MY sound, but this time I listened to how my sound fit with the drummer. My bass sounded clean, bright and cut through and I could hear my tone very well onstage and through the PA except when the whole band was playing. It hit me that for all the great roundwound tone I had, it was pretty much gone when the entire band played and actually the rhythm section sounded weak. Yeah, it was loud, but overall the rhythm section was anemic. And we have kick-ass subwoofers but it wasnt cutting it. It wasnt the volume, it was the lack of that synchronistic punch of the drums and bass together.
Since Ive switched to flatwounds Ive noticed some things I would have never considered before. Flats are powerful strings. Playing alone, they arent anything special. They still seem a bit dull to me playing alone. Its when I play bass with flats, along with the whole band, that my bass just comes alive. Using a pick with flatwounds when you are locked in with the drummer is just plain POWER. When playing by myself, Im not getting that bright sound like rounds give me, but within the band context flats have a tone that is so punchy. With rounds I have that sound that sticks out and allows me to slap and solo and say to everyone look at me but with Flats the RHYTHM SECTION has that sound that just punches people in the chest and smacks them upside the head. With flats its ALL about the power of the low end. I no longer give a crap if anyone notices me. I only care that they are grooving to the whole band.
With roundwounds I feel sonically my bass was getting too messed up with the guitars and keyboards and leaving the drummer sit down in the low end alone. I think roundwounds have too many overtones, sustain too much and lack real definition and attack that a bass should have. Yes they are bright and stand out, but in a guitard kind of way. And honestly with so many great bass players today pushing the envelope about what bass means, bass is becoming a lower tuned guitar. Im fine with others doing that, but I no longer want that. Flats give me attack, punch and a tightness I never knew existed. I never gave flats a chance, all because of preconceived notions and how I felt about how MY bass sounded alone instead of how WE sounded as a band. Flats take me out of the guitar realm and place me right back in the low end with the drums out of guitard world and back into the rhythm section where I belong. Now there is a LOW END. Now as a rock band WE have POWER.
All because of flats? Maybe not, but it sure has changed my approach to playing bass. I dont solo and there is nothing subtle about my playing in a rock band. Where rounds gave me the piano tone, flats give me a sledgehammer. Funny how I used rounds to stand out, but I actually ended up getting lost in the mix, whereas flats give me my own space now. That sonic space is down below the guitars, even if I play up higher. There is just no mistaking my bass in the mix now. Its all there and its ALL BASS!
For those who are thinking about switching to flats. Consider why you play bass and what you feel your role is within the context of the band. You certainly dont have to stand in the background and play root notes just because you play with flats. But you should think about yourself as a musician in a band. And if you play in a rock band, consider what ROCK music is all about and how you fit into it as the bass player in the rhythm section. Flats do not need to be dull. In fact, in many ways bright flats have more snap and bite than even rounds do (in a different way), especially in a live setting. Rounds sound brighter when playing alone, but more like a guitar in a band setting. With flats the opposite is true. Flats sound duller alone but more distinct in a band setting than rounds do. I feel that its all in how flats seem to produce more fundamental of each note without weird overtones. From the lowest note to the highest, with flats the notes smack you in the face instead of singing to you. Perhaps thats why Im a flat convert. I realized I didnt want my bass to sing I want it to hit you and knock your lazy ass off that barstool.
NOTE: Apologies to roundwound low end guitards and lazy drunks. No offense intended.
way to change your post via the edit function.
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way to miss the joke: you said "bye" in one post, then jumped back in shortly after that, thus the fail. it had nothing to do with implying you drink; the photo was just a graphic representation of the level of fail you achieved.
...way to continue to tell us that you can't do it anymore and then keep coming back.
i'm sure you are a perfectly fine bassist. this is obviously not your thread. please stop telling us how much you don't like the taste of this thread, yet continue to spoon servings of it onto your plate and eat it.
everybody has made their point and we need to agree to disagree.
now, can we get back to the topic of the awesomeness of
flats in all their glory so it can be helpful to those interested in the subject? if not, can we lock this thread?
Sorry...
So as long as we have choice, why not choose?
