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Copyright?? Kicking a band member out?? Help??

They are not register through either, but they were distributed through distrokid. As far as who wrote the songs, everyone writes their own part.

He thinks he can do this, using the logic of when a song is used without permission, like when some political campaign uses a song that the writer does not allow or approve of. Ignore him. Any attorney that will write a C&D letter will charge him for it. But because the songs were written as a group effort, then he, at the very least, got outvoted.
 
4. Under certain circumstances (and in limited jurisdictions) a performance can be prevented if it will somehow negatively impact the image or reputation of the writer. This is a super-specific situation that has nothing to do with copyright but rather rights of publicity.

I would be interested to hear more about this if you care to expand on it.

Thanks.
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IANAL

The way I see it... There are two kinds of people who threaten to sue... One says they will sue you, and the other has lawyers do it on their behalf.

I'm inclined to think since the latter is notoriously known for blowing smoke that the former is most certainly full of more than hot air.

If he didnt do anything more than "come up with his part", the advice to change that and move on it solid. If he wrote major components of songs, then it's different. Sounds like a toxic person and maybe it's best to divest yourself of anything to do with them?

Either way, you may have to stop doing it, but in one of those instances, the complaintant has to put their money where their mouth is first.

May have to stop doing it? In what universe?

All that needs to be done is to ignore the wind bag.

There is nothing to see here. Ignore and move on.
 
You are aware that any band can play anyone's else's songs without anyone's permission and not have to pay anybody.

And if said band wants to record and distribute someone else's songs, they still can, but then they pay a fee. If it's that Distrokit thing, and his name is on it along with yours and your band mates, you pay him 1/5 or whatever the division was.
 
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Song copyright is based on lyrics or melody over a chord progression. A rhythm guitar part, bass line or drum part is the arrangement and generally not subject to copyright. What did he contribute to the songs? Technically, copyright exists as soon as something is written down. It does not have to be registered.

As for the recordings, was there a written agreement on royalties?
True, a work does not have to be registered to receive copyright protection.... BUT.... in order for any attorney to take the case, the work needs to be registered where statutory damages are now available along with the right to ask for attorneys fees be added. Without that, actual damages have to be proved, and that's pretty much impossible. It's like a Catch 22.
 
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Tell him y'all are gonna class action his butt for potential loss of income because he quit, but you will agree to not sue if he'll give you written permission to continue performing "his" songs. It's an empty threat and a worthless document if he does provide one, but it's really a moot point if there's not a contract detailing division of income derived from any original works created by "the band".
Anyone can sue anyone in America. Even if he can't find a lawyer to file on his behalf, he can spend a few hours in most any public library and learn to file a civil suit on his own, so a complaint could be filed, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Getting a judge to hear such a silly complaint is the real trick and in this case I'd say the chances were slim to none, and could actually result in censure from the bench for filing a frivolous suit. :D
 
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So I'll just to make this short but I just wanted to see if anyone on here would know anything about the legalities of my band's situation or have resources to offer. I have done a lot of research on the topic of copyright but I'm not really finding anything helpful to my situation so here goes:

My band and I have parted ways with our rhythm guitarist. However, said guitarist is now threatening legal action because they wants us to stop performing any songs we wrote with them. We have about 9 out of 22 songs uploaded to platforms. My question is, does the guitarist have any right to have us stop playing these songs? Keep in mind we are a local band. We gig often and make a decent amount of money.

Thanks for any input!
I think you guys have a stronger case for playing the tunes. But there's a bright side for him. It's all how you sell it.

Just tell him this:

Every time you play a song that co-written by him, just say that before each time you play. That should be your disclaimer. Then tell him you won't be charging him for all the free advertising he's getting every time you do a mention.

Since he doesn't seem know copyright laws, or even the law in general, maybe he'll just take it and call it square. Just a suggestion.:rolleyes:
 
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Pink floyd didn't stop playing their catalog when waters left.

Metallica still put out an album with a bunch of songs dave Mustaine has writing credits on.

Im no lawyer, but I wouldn't worry about it. I would continue to play the songs. If a sieze and desist letter shows up, then I would decide what to do then.
 
FWIW, suing someone in most countries is very expensive and, from what I understand, it is incredibly expensive in countries such as the USA (if that is where you live). It is all well-and-good to make a threat to sue, yet it is quite another to have the financial capacity to carry-out that threat. Words are cheap. Suing is not.
 
As far as who wrote the songs, everyone writes their own part

I'm not a lawyer, but I did some homework on the topic, and here's how I understood the part about control over own work.

If said guitar player was the only songwriter, then the songs are their sole property, and can do anything they want with their work, including sue any musicians who play their song if they so decided.

If a song has multiple songwriters, then it is owned by every contributing party, BUT the control over it works as if every one is the sole owner. What it means in practice is that if 5 people write the song, 4 of them who claim 99% ownership say they don't want it to hear ever again performed, but the 5th with their last percent says go ahead, then that one writer's approval basically overrides the others' decision.

It's a clever mechanism; imagine how many songs would have disappeared over a quarrel if not for this.

If your ex guitar player wants you to stop playing songs you wrote together, first they'd have to claim sole songwriting credit, and if all of you wrote a part and have it documented somewhere as such, then forget about the threat.

The only instance I know of where one songwriter blocked the others, is Josh Homme claiming sole ownership of Kyuss, and the remaining two, John Garcia and Brant Bjork, simply don't have the cash for lawyers to fight back. He didn't win, he just locked the others by having more cash to keep disputing. This happened when John and Brant decided to reunite Kyuss ca. 10 years ago, and began performing with a different guitar player when Josh declined.
 
If a sieze and desist letter shows up, then I would decide what to do then.
What I would do in that situation is write a letter to the lawyer explaining that the rhythm guitar player did NOT write the lyrics, the lead guitar part, the bass part, or the drum part. He wrote the rhythm guitar part which is no longer being played as such by the band.

The fun part about doing that is, not only does the rhythm guitar player have to pay the lawyer to write the letter he wrote, he also has to pay the lawyer for reading the letter I wrote.
 
Also not a lawyer, but in my understanding...

Your band doesn't need Skynyrd's permission to play "Sweet Home Alabama" so why would you need your ex-guitarist's permission to cover his songs? Assuming that he's registered the songs with BMI or ASCAP, then he gets a royalty (paid by the venue, not the band) every time you cover his song. It's a win-win for both parties. Your covering these songs, puts money in his pocket.

(disclaimer: not a lawyer)

Legally, SOMEONE needs to get Skynyrd's permission to play the song, and pay royalties. In the case of virtually all known artists like Skynyrd, that's handled by a blanket license purchased through BMI or ASCAP, and customarily the venue does it, but only because bands are ephemeral entities and rarely have any money anyway.

Technically, if the OP's former bandmate were the sole owner of the songs in question, they would indeed need his permission to play them, and if he hadn't registered them through an agency like ASCAP, anyone wanting to play them would need to get his permission directly. But see below...

Unless he registered all of the songs he co-wrote at copyright.org, or the publishing rights with one of the organizations @Staredge mentioned, he doesn't have a leg to stand on, legally speaking.

That's not the case. Any creator of a work has copyright in that work regardless of whether they register that copyright or not. The purpose of registration is to DOCUMENT a copyright claim, which makes it easier to prove if there's a legal dispute. But the rights exist regardless, by the bare fact of having created the work. ASCAP and BMI, mentioned by @Staredge, have nothing to do with legal copyright claims; they are agencies to sell blanket licenses to perform songs and collect royalties.

I'm not a lawyer, but I did some homework on the topic, and here's how I understood the part about control over own work.

If said guitar player was the only songwriter, then the songs are their sole property, and can do anything they want with their work, including sue any musicians who play their song if they so decided.

If a song has multiple songwriters, then it is owned by every contributing party, BUT the control over it works as if every one is the sole owner. What it means in practice is that if 5 people write the song, 4 of them who claim 99% ownership say they don't want it to hear ever again performed, but the 5th with their last percent says go ahead, then that one writer's approval basically overrides the others' decision.

It's a clever mechanism; imagine how many songs would have disappeared over a quarrel if not for this.

If your ex guitar player wants you to stop playing songs you wrote together, first they'd have to claim sole songwriting credit, and if all of you wrote a part and have it documented somewhere as such, then forget about the threat.

The only instance I know of where one songwriter blocked the others, is Josh Homme claiming sole ownership of Kyuss, and the remaining two, John Garcia and Brant Bjork, simply don't have the cash for lawyers to fight back. He didn't win, he just locked the others by having more cash to keep disputing. This happened when John and Brant decided to reunite Kyuss ca. 10 years ago, and began performing with a different guitar player when Josh declined.

This is correct. Performance or recording of a song requires the consent of the owner of the song, normally its original creator unless there's a contract indicating otherwise. If the OP's ex-bandmate had solely written the songs, then he does indeed have the legal right to deny the others permission to play them.

"Song" is normally not defined as all the constituent parts of a recording or version of it, but usually the lyrics and melody (think how many versions of "Minnie the Moocher" Cab Calloway performed over the decades, in a gazillion different genres. Even if it was in a reggae or country or calypso style, it was still "Minnie the Moocher" and the same people held its copyright).

If a song was created jointly by several people, they are all joint copyright owners of it. In that situation, EACH copyright holder has the authority to permit a recording or performance of it without the agreement of the others. However, ALL are owed royalties on such performances. Parts of an arrangement of a song (e.g. a bass line, drum beat or rhythm guitar part) do NOT carry separable copyright - you can't deny a copyright holder in the song permission to use the part that you came up with for it when they exercise their right to perform the song.

The OP said each of the band members wrote their own parts. If this were to go to court, it might well be the singer (if this isn't instrumental music) might be decided to be the sole owner of the song if they were the only one to write lyrics and a melody.

This is all on the assumption that we're talking about American law here. Overseas there are some differences. It's also assuming that there are no written agreements in which people agree to forego their rights (e.g. a studio musician would often sign a contract accepting that, whatever contribution they make, they claim no copyright in the work, in exchange for the fee they're paid for their work).

Also, as several people have said, this is all technicalities. Royalties are pennies per performance. Unless the OP's band is putting out mega hits (in which case they probably wouldn't be coming to TB with questions, they'd be asking their record label's legal department), there's nothing at stake and threats to sue, etc., are just blowing hot air. These kinds of threads come up on TB pretty regularly when some drama queen storms out of band practice yelling their head off.