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Copyright?? Kicking a band member out?? Help??

there was a similar thread about last week or so. I'm not sure what the legal standing is, of course, but imho, if the new guy writes his own new parts replacing the old guy's, you should be free and clear (ethically. Legally, I ain't a lawyer, don't listen to me. I have an ex-brother-in-law who is a lawyer - don't listen to him, either!)
IDK, about Legal issues, but im sure anyone can sue for a various amount of reasons! but I dont think he can stop you performing his songs LIVE! i mean if thats the case, any band can sue Cover bands from performing their Music! unless you're slandering him publicly or claiming the songs as NOT his, I dont see how it can be enforced! Imagine going into court & seeing a Judge or jury "because they're playing my songs with out me! Wah! I wouldnt worry about him no court would up hold his claim! insecurity & bitter about getting canned! wants to make sure your sorry for letting him go!GL
 
Lol. No bar owner is going to cancel because some douche bag shows him a letter he wrote.

Really? depends on how much of a pain in the @$$ the guitar player makes it for them, vs bands popularity, vs their tolerance for risk/level of information.

I absolutely have seen bands Gert cancelled because of hassle ex members. Bar owners are not the brightest and the best. A-holes are at the least annoying, but at the most can be a very real hassle.
 
He can go pound sand.
Anybody can sue anybody.
That doesn't mean they'll get one dime.

In order for him to get any money,
he (or his lawyer) HAS TO PROVE damages.

Ignore him, he has no case.

"My question is, does the guitarist have any right to have us stop playing these songs?"

Not just "No," but "Heck no."
 
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So I'll just to make this short but I just wanted to see if anyone on here would know anything about the legalities of my band's situation or have resources to offer. I have done a lot of research on the topic of copyright but I'm not really finding anything helpful to my situation so here goes:

My band and I have parted ways with our rhythm guitarist. However, said guitarist is now threatening legal action because they wants us to stop performing any songs we wrote with them. We have about 9 out of 22 songs uploaded to platforms. My question is, does the guitarist have any right to have us stop playing these songs? Keep in mind we are a local band. We gig often and make a decent amount of money.

Thanks for any input!

No, the former band member has no legal standing to prevent you from performing those songs.

The venue is itself pays the copyright owner a performance royalty, via ASCAP/BMI, when someone covers their song live at their venue.

Your former guitarist appears to be in idiot, so congrats on getting rid of them :cool:
 
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I do have a disagreement with #60 post's saying:
"Performance or recording of a song requires the consent of the owner of the song, normally its original creator unless there's a contract indicating otherwise. If the OP's ex-bandmate had solely written the songs, then he does indeed have the legal right to deny the others permission to play them."

In the case of playing something already released, there's the concept of "compulsory licensing", but the user does (theoretically, anyway) have to pay ...

But, IANAIAAL.

I've had compulsory licensing come up on one of these threads before, and an actual music industry attorney TBer try to explain it to me. There IS such a thing, but it's NOT carte blanche to just play whatever you want without needing the copyright holder's permission. IIRC, it basically turns the court into playing ASCAP's role, which no judge wants to do and may just shoot down. It's still a legal proceeding to compel the license, not just do-what-you-want.
 
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They are not register through either, but they were distributed through distrokid. As far as who wrote the songs, everyone writes their own part
Who wrote the lyrics and the melody?

Your band doesn't need Skynyrd's permission to play "Sweet Home Alabama" so why would you need your ex-guitarist's permission to cover his songs?...
Exactly!
 
Your band doesn't need Skynyrd's permission to play "Sweet Home Alabama" so why would you need your ex-guitarist's permission to cover his songs? Assuming that he's registered the songs with BMI or ASCAP, then he gets a royalty (paid by the venue, not the band) every time you cover his song. It's a win-win for both parties. Your covering these songs, puts money in his pocket.

(disclaimer: not a lawyer)
Correct. Even if it's registered, you still don't pay him to play it live. He gets paid via the BMI/ASCAP licenses* the venue purchases. The only time a band has to pay is if they record someone else's music and put it into the distribution chain.

Again, any band can play anyone's music live. It's really that simple.

This should really be then end of the thread, but no one reads earlier posts.

*Special note about BMI/ASCAP royalties paid. All the money collected goes into some sort of statistical analysis and Beyonce and Taylor Swift get pretty much all of it. Everyone else, table scraps. :smug:
 
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So I'll just to make this short but I just wanted to see if anyone on here would know anything about the legalities of my band's situation or have resources to offer. I have done a lot of research on the topic of copyright but I'm not really finding anything helpful to my situation so here goes:

My band and I have parted ways with our rhythm guitarist. However, said guitarist is now threatening legal action because they wants us to stop performing any songs we wrote with them. We have about 9 out of 22 songs uploaded to platforms. My question is, does the guitarist have any right to have us stop playing these songs? Keep in mind we are a local band. We gig often and make a decent amount of money.

Thanks for any input!
Threatening legal action and actually doing it are 2 different things. If it were me, I'd let him try to sue. He probably won't get anyone to take his case unless he pays up front. A consultation on your part with a media attorney would be in your best interest and not cost much.
 
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Threatening legal action and actually doing it are 2 different things. If it were me, I'd let him try to sue. He probably won't get anyone to take his case unless he pays up front. A consultation on your part with a media attorney would be in your best interest and not cost much.
+1. You have to ask yourself if you are going to someday get rich off these songs (and not just the wanna-be rocker wet dream). If you are going to try to cut a record and sign with someone you will eventually want/need to sort this all out. If your goal is to gig with your own songs, don't worry about it.
 
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I do have a disagreement with #60 post's saying:
"Performance or recording of a song requires the consent of the owner of the song, normally its original creator unless there's a contract indicating otherwise. If the OP's ex-bandmate had solely written the songs, then he does indeed have the legal right to deny the others permission to play them."

In the case of playing something already released, there's the concept of "compulsory licensing", but the user does (theoretically, anyway) have to pay ...

But, IANAIAAL.

Unlike all the social media experts claiming constitutional rights they don't actually have on a myriad of issues, copyright holders actually do have constitutional rights. Why is that? Because the Constitution actually says so. Invalid Link Removed of the constitution is called the Patent and Copyright Clause of the Constitution and it gives Congress the power "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries."

Accordingly, the constitutional basis for the exclusive rights of authors is clear. However, the Constitution also gives Congress the power to promote the useful arts (e.g., having more music available to the public than less). And, in that regard, Congress has decided that certain exceptions to an author's right of exclusivity (i.e., their little monopoly) will help promote the useful arts. The compulsory license is one such exception to an author's right of exclusivity.

The compulsory license can be found in Section 115 of the Copyright Act. It is applicable to musical compositions only (not sound recordings) and there are a number of limitations and requirements. The very, very short story is that this license allows artists to make "cover" versions of previously released songs and distribute them in CDs and digital phonorecords like those found on Spotify. An artist could not use this license for purposes of making a music video to go along with their cover song. Basically it's for recording a previously released song (i.e., making a cover version of it) and exploiting it through CDs and now streaming.

Why is it called a compulsory license? Because the artist can ask permission from the songwriter(s)/publisher(s) of the song to create a cover version of the song and if that request is denied, then the artist can use the procedures set forth in Section 115 to compel the songwriter(s)/publisher(s) to license the use of the song in the cover recording. In practice, no one says no to a request because the artist can use the provisions in Section 115 to compel songwriter(s)/publisher(s) to license the use of the song in the cover recording. Hence, the license is compulsory. If the writer/publisher denies the request and forces the artist to use the Section 115 provisions, then the government gets involved and is part of the licensing process and nobody wants that (including the government).

There's a lot more to the Section 115 compulsory license, but those are the basics unless I'm forgetting something.

Of course, you don't need a license if music is in the public domain, and there would be more music in the public domain if Congress (both sides) hadn't capitulated to big business (e.g., Disney) and eviscerated the constitutional concept of "limited times" that copyright holders have their exclusive rights. But that's a different rant for a different thread.

Best,
MA
 
A good way to deal with these types, is to get an attorney that you know (friend, family members, etc) and have them write a letter on law firm letterhead stating that you will take action against the ex member if they cause a loss of wages (gigs). The possibility of having to actually go to court usually puts an end to the annoyance.

Remember everyone is a legal expert and ready to sue you, until they have to go to court.