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Could strings cause disappointing tone on fender jazz bass

The only 2 types of strings I have been satisfied with on my Jazz are flatwounds and really broken-in stainless steel rounds. Everything else just seems too bright and weak in the lows.

Don't be afraid to try flats on a Jazz. It's the type of string the Jazz was originally designed with.

 
String gauge and material can certainly make a difference. Some basses speak and feel better with light gauges... some with medium (or heavier). Material may also accentuate different areas of the tonal spectrum more. But in the end, a Jazz is a Jazz, and it doesn't sound like a Stingray. I would consider using different gauges and checking the setup of the Jazz Bass.... or consider using a preamp of some sort (Sadowsky, Aguilar Tone Hammer) with the J-Bass. Good luck!
 
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Totally up to you if you want another! You could consider a trade for a USA Sterling model too
And the shop I'm thinking of has a bunch of USA stingrays. I would bet he could move my fender faster than those rays. Not because of quality of course but because of the fender
OP used a Jazz Bass heavily for 7 years.

Changes strings, immediately notices the bass doesn't sound good anymore.

Wonders if the bass is the problem.

This thread is so Talkbass.
Even that Tony Franklin bass sounded weak to me though.
 
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Here is my dilemma. I have a fender American special jazz bass purchased in 2011. I used it heavily until 2018 and then started exploring other basses. Ended up finding my sound with Ernie ball music man basses. I have two 5 strings. Stingray special 5 and bongo 5. Both HH models. They became my two main basses. Two years ago, I decided it was time to change the strings on my fender jazz. I purchased a set of Ernie ball roundwounds custom gage 50,70,85, and 105 were the numbers on the strings. I thought I was using what came stock on stingray special basses. It was the first time I had purchased Ernie ball strings for a bass. To me my jazz sounds dead now. There is no where near the sustain that there is with my stingray and bongo and I don't remember the jazz bass sounding that lifeless even though prior to the string change it sounded dull compared to the stingray and bongo. What do you guys think? Could it in fact be the strings or could it be that there just simply won't be anyway to get a tone like the music man basses? I did try another fender bass and was also disappointed in its tone as well, and that was a Tony Franklin signature bass. There were flat wound strings on it though. I know this thread could easily fit on the basses thread as well.
I have to agree with michael_t and the other folks who say - it's just your ears. You've been playing two basses that are VERY different from your old Jazz Bass. Just the fact that they're 5-ers - and you haven't played the 4-string JB in a couple of years - is more than enough to make the JB sound "Bleagh". IT hasn't changed; but, your ears have.
I sort of go through this kind of thing all the time. With 23 basses; 4 guitars and... a long scale banjo... the only way I can play all of them is to rotate them out of the herd, usually about 3 at a time, for a month of maintenance and playing; then, put them back, and get 3 more out, to do it all over again. I do have 2 favorite basses and 1 guitar, which stay out all the time; but all the rest come and go. The 2 favorite basses are a '90s MIK Rogue VB-100 violin bass, and the '01 COY Rick 4003. As you might imagine, every bass that rotated out of the herd this month ('23 Epi JC and a '95 Alembic) don't sound much like the two that live next to the amp; and, on top of that? I haven't heard them at all in a while, either. So, while they don't sound BAD, they DO sound... a little unfamiliar. Thing is, though; I'm uite used to that... well, strangeness... and you are not. EB Slinkys are pretty good rounds. I used to use them all the time, on basses that I hadn't yet decided what to put on them forever. I might have chosen the 45-100 set if it was my JB, but that's just me. IMO, you just need to play the JB exclusively for a while; keep an open mind; and it's tone will come back to you...:thumbsup:
 
Here is my dilemma. I have a fender American special jazz bass purchased in 2011. I used it heavily until 2018 and then started exploring other basses. Ended up finding my sound with Ernie ball music man basses. I have two 5 strings. Stingray special 5 and bongo 5. Both HH models. They became my two main basses. Two years ago, I decided it was time to change the strings on my fender jazz. I purchased a set of Ernie ball roundwounds custom gage 50,70,85, and 105 were the numbers on the strings. I thought I was using what came stock on stingray special basses. It was the first time I had purchased Ernie ball strings for a bass. To me my jazz sounds dead now. There is no where near the sustain that there is with my stingray and bongo and I don't remember the jazz bass sounding that lifeless even though prior to the string change it sounded dull compared to the stingray and bongo. What do you guys think? Could it in fact be the strings or could it be that there just simply won't be anyway to get a tone like the music man basses? I did try another fender bass and was also disappointed in its tone as well, and that was a Tony Franklin signature bass. There were flat wound strings on it though. I know this thread could easily fit on the basses thread as well.
That Jazz Bass Special, if I recall correctly, has a P-bass split pickup in the neck position and a Jazz bass pickup in the bridge position and it's all mounted on a P-bass body...correct? I would be surprised if you could get it to sound like a normal Jazz bass because of the P-bass pickup in the neck position. That's always going to give it a darker sound than a normal Jazz Bass pickup with fewer of the higher harmonics. And, unless you're Jaco, soloing that bridge pickup sounds pretty thin, but great for harmonics. So within those limitations, you're adding round wounds. What strings did you have on it before?

I use the LaBella White Tape Wounds on my passive 1982 Jazz Bass. For the 35-years before that, I used round wounds. First was the Dean Markley Blue Steel set that came on it when I bought it in 1985. I replaced those twice, so I ran three sets of those. Then I replaced them with DR Black Beauty strings and ran those until about 5-years ago, when they turned into DR mottled gray no longer beauties string. With both of those round wound sets, the D and G strings sounded pretty thing below the 5th fret. Above the 5th fret they sounded good. The DR strings sounded better than the Blue Steel strings, but not by a lot. Then, about 5-years ago I bought the Tape Wounds because of a video I saw on You Tube comparing a bunch of strings.

The tape wound were much better sounding to me than the flat wound strings, but not as bright as the round wounds. They also had by far the best balance of sound string to string. They do not have a thin sound on the D and G strings within the first 5-frets like most I've used, and I'll play an E on the D string if it's more convenient than playing it on the 7th fret of the A string and I won't hesitate to play an A on the 2nd fret of the G string instead of on the 7th fret of the D string. They are by far and away the best sounding strings I've used.

Prior to my current Jazz I had a 1965 Jazz Bass that I bought in 1966. It came with flatwounds (only thing available back then) and I replaced them once with a new set, and then while touring in the early 70's put on a set of the Fender Nylon Tape Wound strings. They were pretty dark sounding. I think Fender advertised that they had a "mellow sound" back then. I used those until 1976 when my '65 Jazz was stolen. So I played flat wounds/tape wounds for 10-years on that Jazz.

The flat wounds always sound darker than round wounds. That was the deal about round wounds when they became popular in the 70's, they had a much brighter sound because you could hear the higher harmonics, that were often not even there with flat wounds. RotoSound broke into the bass string market with their round wounds. The LaBella tape wounds are brighter than most normal flat wounds and yet are balanced better string to string than any round wounds I've used or heard. The semi-opaque White Tape ones are the brightest, the black are the darkest in sound, and the copper core and gold core are in between the two.

With the darker sound of the P-bass pickup, the white tape wound might make a difference for you. I actually prefer my '82 Jazz to the '65 I had. It has a slightly brighter sound because it uses the 70's era pickup spacing (4" center to center instead of the 3.6" spacing) which puts the bridge pickup closer to the bridge. It also has night and day better sustain than my '65 did. I attribute that to the all-maple neck on my '82. My '65 had maple with a rosewood fretboard. You really need those higher harmonics to bring out the more classic sound of a Jazz Bass. I'm not sure what you can do to get better sustain, outside of running a compressor on it.

AND, of course, it could be just like so many others here have said, that you've become attuned to the sound of your Stingray and Bongo, so nothing else will do. Trying a set of those LaBella tape wound strings should help answer that question and it's not a lot of money to find out.
 
Here is my dilemma. I have a fender American special jazz bass purchased in 2011. I used it heavily until 2018 and then started exploring other basses. Ended up finding my sound with Ernie ball music man basses. I have two 5 strings. Stingray special 5 and bongo 5. Both HH models. They became my two main basses. Two years ago, I decided it was time to change the strings on my fender jazz. I purchased a set of Ernie ball roundwounds custom gage 50,70,85, and 105 were the numbers on the strings. I thought I was using what came stock on stingray special basses. It was the first time I had purchased Ernie ball strings for a bass. To me my jazz sounds dead now. There is no where near the sustain that there is with my stingray and bongo and I don't remember the jazz bass sounding that lifeless even though prior to the string change it sounded dull compared to the stingray and bongo. What do you guys think? Could it in fact be the strings or could it be that there just simply won't be anyway to get a tone like the music man basses? I did try another fender bass and was also disappointed in its tone as well, and that was a Tony Franklin signature bass. There were flat wound strings on it though. I know this thread could easily fit on the basses thread as well.



My thought on this is with MM being active with an on board preamp, you need to replicate the boost you are getting from the MM preamp by boosting the "EQ" on you amp or effects pedal(s) correspondingly when using your passive Jazz for an accurate comparison

As for the strings, I would buy a new set of GHS Bass Boomers $25 on Amazon. Make sure the are the right gage for the nut.
 
That Jazz Bass Special, if I recall correctly, has a P-bass split pickup in the neck position and a Jazz bass pickup in the bridge position and it's all mounted on a P-bass body...correct? I would be surprised if you could get it to sound like a normal Jazz bass because of the P-bass pickup in the neck position. That's always going to give it a darker sound than a normal Jazz Bass pickup with fewer of the higher harmonics. And, unless you're Jaco, soloing that bridge pickup sounds pretty thin, but great for harmonics. So within those limitations, you're adding round wounds. What strings did you have on it before?

I use the LaBella White Tape Wounds on my passive 1982 Jazz Bass. For the 35-years before that, I used round wounds. First was the Dean Markley Blue Steel set that came on it when I bought it in 1985. I replaced those twice, so I ran three sets of those. Then I replaced them with DR Black Beauty strings and ran those until about 5-years ago, when they turned into DR mottled gray no longer beauties string. With both of those round wound sets, the D and G strings sounded pretty thing below the 5th fret. Above the 5th fret they sounded good. The DR strings sounded better than the Blue Steel strings, but not by a lot. Then, about 5-years ago I bought the Tape Wounds because of a video I saw on You Tube comparing a bunch of strings.

The tape wound were much better sounding to me than the flat wound strings, but not as bright as the round wounds. They also had by far the best balance of sound string to string. They do not have a thin sound on the D and G strings within the first 5-frets like most I've used, and I'll play an E on the D string if it's more convenient than playing it on the 7th fret of the A string and I won't hesitate to play an A on the 2nd fret of the G string instead of on the 7th fret of the D string. They are by far and away the best sounding strings I've used.

Prior to my current Jazz I had a 1965 Jazz Bass that I bought in 1966. It came with flatwounds (only thing available back then) and I replaced them once with a new set, and then while touring in the early 70's put on a set of the Fender Nylon Tape Wound strings. They were pretty dark sounding. I think Fender advertised that they had a "mellow sound" back then. I used those until 1976 when my '65 Jazz was stolen. So I played flat wounds/tape wounds for 10-years on that Jazz.

The flat wounds always sound darker than round wounds. That was the deal about round wounds when they became popular in the 70's, they had a much brighter sound because you could hear the higher harmonics, that were often not even there with flat wounds. RotoSound broke into the bass string market with their round wounds. The LaBella tape wounds are brighter than most normal flat wounds and yet are balanced better string to string than any round wounds I've used or heard. The semi-opaque White Tape ones are the brightest, the black are the darkest in sound, and the copper core and gold core are in between the two.

With the darker sound of the P-bass pickup, the white tape wound might make a difference for you. I actually prefer my '82 Jazz to the '65 I had. It has a slightly brighter sound because it uses the 70's era pickup spacing (4" center to center instead of the 3.6" spacing) which puts the bridge pickup closer to the bridge. It also has night and day better sustain than my '65 did. I attribute that to the all-maple neck on my '82. My '65 had maple with a rosewood fretboard. You really need those higher harmonics to bring out the more classic sound of a Jazz Bass. I'm not sure what you can do to get better sustain, outside of running a compressor on it.

AND, of course, it could be just like so many others here have said, that you've become attuned to the sound of your Stingray and Bongo, so nothing else will do. Trying a set of those LaBella tape wound strings should help answer that question and it's not a lot of money to find out.
No not exactly. The American special jazz has two jazz bass pickups like most jazz basses do. It followed the highway one bass, then the American special was discontinued and replaced with the American performer. I could be wrong but the American performer precision is the only one with a split coil and a jazz bass pickup
 
The only 2 types of strings I have been satisfied with on my Jazz are flatwounds and really broken-in stainless steel rounds. Everything else just seems too bright and weak in the lows.

Don't be afraid to try flats on a Jazz. It's the type of string the Jazz was originally designed with.



That's really interesting.

The original intentions/demographic the Fender "jazz" and "precision" basses were aimed at seems more and more subject to whichever resource one consults, especially considering the genres and styles the different lines ended up featuring in.

Never crossed my mind that pianos used roundwounds on their bass side, rounds pre date flats.
or that Telecasters were originally shipped with roundwounds.

Flatwound strings on a jbass would work well sonically! Put some "density" into the single coil timbre.
I know personally that new flats have a brightness of their own when new, have only played them on unfretted instruments.
 
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That's really interesting.

The original intentions/demographic the Fender "jazz" and "precision" basses were aimed at seems more and more subject to whichever resource one consults, especially considering the genres and styles the different lines ended up featuring in.

Never crossed my mind that pianos used roundwounds on their bass side, rounds pre date flats.
or that Telecasters were originally shipped with roundwounds.

Flatwound strings on a jbass would work well sonically! Put some "density" into the single coil timbre.
I know personally that new flats have a brightness of their own when new, have only played them on unfretted instruments.
Yep. When the Jazz came out in 1960, the only strings sold as electric bass strings were flatwound, as far as I know. The first rounds were the Swing Bass rounds which came out in 1962.
 
I think sometimes we find our "favorite" sounding bass and then try to dial all of our others in to sound the same... but that is sometimes to our detriment.
There are situations when we need different tones at our fingertips.
Don't throw out the Jazz just yet, you may find it's exactly what is needed for certain songs/gigs.
 
No not exactly. The American special jazz has two jazz bass pickups like most jazz basses do. It followed the highway one bass, then the American special was discontinued and replaced with the American performer. I could be wrong but the American performer precision is the only one with a split coil and a jazz bass pickup
Thanks Cory. I saw one a few months back that was a Jazz Bass Special with the P/J pickups on a Precision body and thought it was weird they called it a Jazz Bass. It did have a Jazz neck on it though.

Come to find out they evidently were a 1985 to 1990 item and were made in Japan. Duff McKagan of Guns N Roses used one. Here's one for sale on Reverb right now:
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That's the bass I thought you were referring to.

Anyhow if you have the two Jazz Bass pickups, then run both volumes and the tone control all the way up and add a little boost to the low mids on your amp anywhere between 250Hz and 550Hz. I like to boost to about 1:30 at 250Hz with my amps that I can address that. Otherwise I boost that same amount at 500Hz, which the rest of amps can do. You might not need to change strings. Just add that touch of low-mids to your EQ and see if you don't at least recognize the sound again.
 
I've found that strings can definitely make a difference in your bass tone... but in this case, have to agree with the others. I have both MM and Jass/P bass. Switching basses after playing on for a while leads to a bit of a shock. After playing only the MM for a while, the jazz does seem a bit lifeless while the MM seems very "lively"....but then... after playing the jazz for a while and listening to it's warm, low mid, rich and balanced tone... the MM's seem hollow, uneven and difficult to "fit in the mix". Both are actually amazing, and have their own personalities. It's like getting used to one type of wine, and then switching to another... there's an adjustment period!
300% agree
 
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I have brought many of my basses back to life with a different set of strings. Maybe worth a try. I have gone full circle on both my #1 jazz and #1 Stingray over the years. Both have worn many strings including flats. I am currently back to 45-105 Nickel Superbrights on the Jazz and Daddario EXL superlights on the ray and I am digging both of these right now. But, every bass seems to have it's own character so it can be hit or miss. At least rounds don't cost a lot.
 
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I've found that strings can definitely make a difference in your bass tone... but in this case, have to agree with the others. I have both MM and Jass/P bass. Switching basses after playing on for a while leads to a bit of a shock. After playing only the MM for a while, the jazz does seem a bit lifeless while the MM seems very "lively"....but then... after playing the jazz for a while and listening to it's warm, low mid, rich and balanced tone... the MM's seem hollow, uneven and difficult to "fit in the mix". Both are actually amazing, and have their own personalities. It's like getting used to one type of wine, and then switching to another... there's an adjustment period!


I definately find my MM sounds hollow compared to my P/J Jag bass. Superior low end on the P/J. Though i do like the bite of the MM i just never use it anymore.

For the OP, strings do make a massive difference. I used ernie ball strings for years before i made a personal quest for my favourite string! I wanted a bright sounding string set and after trying a lot of sets I found D'addario NYXL's to be best for my P/J bass. On my musicman however i have ernie ball cobalt flats which compliment that bass really well and has a nice bright sound even with flats on.
 
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Not sure what I am missing, seems pretty obvious that...
If you liked the sound before you changed the strings then it's the strings.
If you didn't like the sound before, then it's the bass.
If changing strings or putting the old strings back on doesn't liven it up for you then perhaps a split coil pickup like Dimarzio Ultra Jazz or Model J would. They sound less like single coils but still retain some Jazz essence.
 
I had your same dilemma as I also have a Stingray and a passive Jazz. My solution to compensate de lack of boost I was perceiving in my Jazz was having an external preamp like the Aguilar 925 right after the bass output and DR Fat beams (stainless steel). Now both basses are competing in the same league.
 
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