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could you please sell me on Jaco?

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what the heck are people idolize him anyway? what's missing?

UPDATE

I completely respect, and value each one of your comments and will likely remember some of the good stuff. I know it can take some effort to hash through spiderwebs. Seeing rants beyond my participation, that ignore what I'm asking, is somewhat disappointing. Taking shots at me personally?.. whatever. that's weird and low.

Please allow me to repost here, and edit into my original post (OP) for clarification, a reply I wrote back on page 11 that I feel was buried by boisterous chatter. We can take this in a positive direction!

I feel like you guys are saying what you want to say, which is awesome, but the topic isn't being addressed. Not more than ONE forum member, have I connected with in here, has the sensitivity to seriously engage on an intellectual level. In regards to Jaco within the confines of a mere thread, I don't care about what you like. I don't care about what you don't like.

What's more, I can't quite identify if I'm learning more about Jaco, or about each one of you individuals.

MY REPOST AND ADD TO OP IS AS FOLLOWS:

“Thank you. This reply is right on mark in regards to the struggles I have in understanding the hype within the crouching Jaco fandom. Some say that ‘it is difficult to truly know someone without having gotten to know their friends’.

Overnight and through this morning, as I contemplate the many above responses, it’s becoming clearer that there is this sort of lurking separation between consumers (who don't know they're being told to “hey look at this” by mainstream media industry), and those who care about their fellow people as individual-beings living along side us in the same broken world.

I'm especially moved by your calling-of-the-nations to take a deeper lesson - one of more than frail surfaces of which are proved no greater than watching a monkey bang cymbals together.

I'm glad you mentioned that you are somewhat unpleased with the fact that his (so called) decline wasn't met with greater personal support or attention. Being regarded as famous is isolating and normally contributes to a subject’s psychological evolution in negative light. If Jaco wasn't an ego-manic (not saying he was or wasn't), the chances that he doubted himself internally are the same as any-average-body.

Knowing one’s self becomes a greater challenge per the amount of feedback given by his success. Fans (you guys who are as such) can see that he has a unique talent, and then go on to say he IS that talent emotionally…which isn't true. Then they level-up even more and want to be him, do what he does, get what he has etc.. In doing so, one would be preventing the advancement of humanity in a snowballing bully bus.

If so many people here have such ideas that Jaco was “da man”, I'm like; bruh, you don't even know him. You're a consumer with a brand loyalty. Yea, people collect bits and bobs of yesteryear, but it's self serving.

My hope would be that the Jaco story doesn't even come to fruition again, but I know it will to some poor soul.

Being supportive, and as a partner is noble (bass players know that right?).” /quote
 
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I’ve had that thought several times since coming to TB. If someone can make a good argument, I’d sit still to listen. (Posting a bunch of song videos is not an argument.)
What Jim said, listen to his work from '75 until '79 make believe he died in a car wreck at age 27 and you never read any of his bi-polar years.
 
Let these 6 decent bassists tell you: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Todd Smallie (JJ Grey & Mofro & formerly of Derek Trucks Band)
Smallie states that Pastorius had a profound impact on the way he approached bass. “I realized that it was the spirit of the music more than just the notes or the technical side of it. It was more than the sound of the instrument, especially when you finally saw a video of him play and you realized, ‘Holy cow this guy is completely pouring his heart and soul out into this. No wonder it is so bad ass.’ It was no holds barred. He played the piano line, the sax line, the bass line, the guitar lines, even doing the rhythmic stuff…conga-style slapping he would do on the bass—all of it really opened up my mind to the possibilities of the bass being more of a lead instrument than just laying down the bass line.”
 
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He was an amazing player. He had a unique sound that some like more than others. Add in the fact that he died at 35 (edit), and was dealing with drug and other issues during that time. Had he been around longer, there is no telling what he could have done.
 
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I’ve had that thought several times since coming to TB. If someone can make a good argument, I’d sit still to listen. (Posting a bunch of song videos is not an argument.)
Jaco forever changed peoples' perceptions of what was possible on the electric bass similar to the way Jimi Hendrix changed the way people thought about the electric guitar. Jaco had a singular tone: fretless jazz bass, favoring the bridge pickup. No one was doing this in 1976. Sure, there were incredible bassists back then, but Jaco could absolutely BLAZE. He inspired an entire legion of copy cats.