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country bass question

Here in "the live music capital.... etc.... " the P bass is certainly preferred and 5 strings are not the norm for country. I personally could give a rat's ass about that. I LIKE playing P Bass on country, but I also play a 5 string MM25th with flats, and it does a great job. Playing on the B string above the 5th fret makes it big. I think unless you're playing contemporary country (which I don't) most band leaders don't want to hear the sub range under them. It feels evil. Just because you have a 5 string doesn't mean you have to let everyone know it.
 
We opened for a big name act a few weeks ago. The bassist had two different basses on stage with him and both were 5 string. Pointed that out but it fell on deaf ears. I am frustrated because I loved playing with the band but the leader began seeing stars (prematurely at best) and became a d*** really fast. Was with my last band for over three years and lasted five months with this one. Is that a new record?
 
I have a question and would like input. I am a bassist. I play, for many reasons, five string. It is what I like and what I have grown acustomed to. Recently, I left a country band. The guy leading the band had no real idea how to arrange music but thought he did. He had three accomplished semi professional musicians (seasoned and experienced) working with him. In order to gain knowledge, instead of drawing from the musicians in his band he was reading mags and talking to the "techs" at Guitar Center.
Someone there at GC told him in order to obtain the country sound he was looking for one thing that would have to happen is that the bassist would have to trade his five string bass in for a Fender P bass. (Along with the drummer needing a new specific type of kit) Stated that "the Fender P bass is the standard in the country music genre" and that "no one plays a five string bass in country music." Is there really a standard that I missed?
I am wondering if this is a true statement and if so, so be it. If not could you all help me discover who else in country music plays a five string bass?
Thanks for helping me out. Bobb

hey man,
I toured in support of Lost Highway and Lyric STreet artists for three years, and I can tell you this... There are A LOT of Precisions out there, the vast majority ofguys I have met played precisions for country. However, I have seen quite a few 5 strings, some Ps, some not. I played a warwick for quite some time, a P for awhile, even a Jazz. I know guys that play Laklands and various "boutique" type basses. Find your sound, and go with it! I think the P had the best all around for what I was doing, but it also allows you to sit back on your head and preamp for a lot of your tone. I also ran an Alesis 3630 compressor, and I think it reaally helped my active basses a lot for that style of music. Bottom-line? I personally like a passive P sound, worked for me, find what works for you. oh, and it sounds like that guy should try working on his own sound instead of yours. :) L.S.D. (lead-singer disease, some never recover) try a five string P man! see what you think, or just go crazy and buy a crazy custom job and roll with that, either way, YOUR sound is YOUR sound, and don't let anyone tell you how many strings you need. :)
 
We opened for a big name act a few weeks ago. The bassist had two different basses on stage with him and both were 5 string. Pointed that out but it fell on deaf ears. I am frustrated because I loved playing with the band but the leader began seeing stars (prematurely at best) and became a d*** really fast. Was with my last band for over three years and lasted five months with this one. Is that a new record?

Why argue about it? Just say, "Oh. Well I'm playing a 5-string. Get over it." End of squabble.
 
Well for starters, Country Music today is yesterday's rock and roll. Trust me, I live here, I breathe here, and I work regularly here, in Nashville. That being said, the Precision bass has been the leader of the pack in every genre, since 1951. I have played professionally here for over 15 years, and I spent most of those years staying as far away from the Precision bass as I could get. I hated the dated look, the one-trick pony tone, the thick neck, the pickguard, pretty much everything. Then after years of Fodera's, Sadowskies, Zon's, Alembic's, Tobias, and most everything in between, I had an Epiphany that the Precision is the most perfect bass guitar ever made and not just for country but for Rock, Metal, Jazz, Blues, and Pop. So nowadays, you will find me with my 5 string P/J Mike Lull and my Thunderbird 4 string Mike Lull. That's right, I said 5 string, because tis better to have and never need that to need and never have, right? Most road and session players here in Nashville religously use 5 strings, though it may not be their personal favorite bass, it's a requirement. And you also learn quickly here, that if your going to be playing Arena shows, a'la Rascal Flatts, Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, Kenny Chesney, and Toby Keith, the function of the bass is limited to big, long, low notes, getting out of the way of the vocal and the lead guitar, and matching up perfectly with the snap of the kick drum. Sounds boring to you, well it may be, but you try playing simple with absolute perfection, nailing each note with the baddest timekeepers in the land, not to mention learning where the sweet spot is to end the note in each phrase, and laying down a pocket that makes people "feel" the emotion of the song. That is what "Country" music is truly about anyway, its about conveying emotion through music, much like Blues and R+B.
Ok, sorry got side-tracked, but I thought that would be some useful info for you. The GC guys are about as knowledged on gear as a McDonalds cashier is about making a Hamburger, zilch. And if youre worried about why you got fired, your wasting too much time and negative energy on something that wasnt meant to be anyway. Go play whatever bass makes you happy, and get a new gig somewhere else. NEVER play music unless it allows you to be your happiest, and personal best.
 
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I forgot to mention why country bass players favor the Precision. Because the tone is less complex, coming from one pickup, instead of two like the Jazz bass. Also, the tone is loaded with rich midrange, just enough bassy bottom, and the highs can be attenuated as needed, but usually rolled off about 50%. The allows the bass player to stay out of the way of the vocal and the lead instruments and puts the emphasis on the bass' role as a rhythm time-keeper with the drums, more specifically the kick drum. Take the swing rhythm which uses the four-on the floor bass drum pattern, the bassist then follows with a walking bass line that plays every note with the kick. Or the half-time, 2 beat traditional country feel where the bass and kick drum are in on the "one" and off on the "two", in on the "three" and off on the "four" leaving room for the snare or side stick to be heard without an increase in volume. The Fender Precision is easy to get a sound out of, without complex onboard electronics, or the dreaded Midrange EQ which can make a bass sound great by itself, but when you are trying to mix with a full band, once you have added or taken away midrange, it can be very difficult to fix in a mix, and often another player is required to come in and do your part over, with a Precision. Best thing to do, is to decide do you want to be a clinician and play solo like Victor Wooten, or do you want to be the anchor of a great band, like Cliff Williams from AC/DC or one of my favorites, Tully Kennedy from Jason Aldean's band, who helped me understand alot of what I was missing out on. In today's high-tech world, and Bass Player Magazines, NAMM shows, and the internet, we see all the great new gadgets, and we get "GAS" and then we read articles about our favorite players (most of which are highly distorted as to what they "really" use). It all comes back to the music, can you be responsible and serve the music with what it needs, and not what you WANT it to have. When you play, do your band mates smile because what your playing feels good and fits the song, or do you find they are constantly bitter, or trying to give you advice, or even worse, talking about you behind your back. Bottom line, get a Precision bass, a good amp, a clean cable, and prepare to work.
 
Part of the question depends on what KIND of country this guy wants to play. There's a lot of interest these days in "retro" country acts, complete with taco hats, nudie suits, and stand-up steel players, and some of those guys are wanting a very specific look and sound to the band. If a bandleader is trying to cop that 50's/60's persona, I can see them wanting everything to be authentic.

Correct. If you have a retro thing going on, then Fender or a bass viol is what you want.

But if you're playing contemporary Nashville "country", then anything is fine.
 
Other than noting that the OP's band leader sounds like a dipwad, here are my observations:

1. Around here, which is Top 40 CW hard-core country, EVERYBODY plays a damn black Jazz Bass with a rosewood neck.

2. The one time I showed up at a honky tonk gig with a Jazz, I was sent home to get my Precision.

3. The local music store owner tells me he sells nothing but 5 strings these days.

There you have it: exhaustive, dispassionate research. Draw you own conclusions.:D
 
I forgot to mention why country bass players favor the Precision. Because the tone is less complex, coming from one pickup, instead of two like the Jazz bass. Also, the tone is loaded with rich midrange, just enough bassy bottom, and the highs can be attenuated as needed, but usually rolled off about 50%. The allows the bass player to stay out of the way of the vocal and the lead instruments and puts the emphasis on the bass' role as a rhythm time-keeper with the drums, more specifically the kick drum. Take the swing rhythm which uses the four-on the floor bass drum pattern, the bassist then follows with a walking bass line that plays every note with the kick. Or the half-time, 2 beat traditional country feel where the bass and kick drum are in on the "one" and off on the "two", in on the "three" and off on the "four" leaving room for the snare or side stick to be heard without an increase in volume. The Fender Precision is easy to get a sound out of, without complex onboard electronics, or the dreaded Midrange EQ which can make a bass sound great by itself, but when you are trying to mix with a full band, once you have added or taken away midrange, it can be very difficult to fix in a mix, and often another player is required to come in and do your part over, with a Precision. Best thing to do, is to decide do you want to be a clinician and play solo like Victor Wooten, or do you want to be the anchor of a great band, like Cliff Williams from AC/DC or one of my favorites, Tully Kennedy from Jason Aldean's band, who helped me understand alot of what I was missing out on. In today's high-tech world, and Bass Player Magazines, NAMM shows, and the internet, we see all the great new gadgets, and we get "GAS" and then we read articles about our favorite players (most of which are highly distorted as to what they "really" use). It all comes back to the music, can you be responsible and serve the music with what it needs, and not what you WANT it to have. When you play, do your band mates smile because what your playing feels good and fits the song, or do you find they are constantly bitter, or trying to give you advice, or even worse, talking about you behind your back. Bottom line, get a Precision bass, a good amp, a clean cable, and prepare to work.

Jeez... A little spacing and separation would make that much easier to read.
 
Granted, the P is still the standard among certain genres and subgenres of many styles. Interestingly enough, I remember an interview in Bass Player with Jimmy Sloas, a producer and bassist in the Nashville said that in that town most recording engineers had two tracks for recording the bass guitar. One was for preset "P Bass" and the other was for 5 string Modulus bases. I guess that tells it all.

If you are a hired employee and not a "member" of the band then it is whithin his parameters as an employer to request this. If you are an equal partner in this enterprise, then tell him to get over it, and you refuse to discuss it further. If your stance ends to your forced withdrawal from the group, then go find one whose leader isn't so...anal.

There are certain basses that seem to fit certain styles, for sure, but as long as your fiver has the sound needed I cannot see what the problem is. If you have to, meet him in the middle and offer to string up with flats if need be.
 
NOt that I personally consider it country, but Keith Urbans bassist was "playing" a T bird at the Daytona 500 this year. IF you are playing radio modern country hits, the look and sound are dead and gone anyway. If you are into the traditional classic thing, you may look off, but I doubt that you will be unable to play the music well on a 5. Thats just absurd.
 
Here around Nashville you see many may 5-strings. Musicman, Laklands, many Sadowskys with major acts or recording players as well as other custom Fender on steroids type basses, then your expected fenders as well as other models. It's pretty mixed.

Here's what I'm playing for my current chick driven country cover band, and the response has been resoundingly positive, both visually and regarding it's tone. It can 'do' vintage with the front pickup and in passive mode, but in active mode it's far from a vintage instrument.

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I have a question and would like input. I am a bassist. I play, for many reasons, five string. It is what I like and what I have grown acustomed to. Recently, I left a country band. The guy leading the band had no real idea how to arrange music but thought he did. He had three accomplished semi professional musicians (seasoned and experienced) working with him. In order to gain knowledge, instead of drawing from the musicians in his band he was reading mags and talking to the "techs" at Guitar Center.
Someone there at GC told him in order to obtain the country sound he was looking for one thing that would have to happen is that the bassist would have to trade his five string bass in for a Fender P bass. (Along with the drummer needing a new specific type of kit) Stated that "the Fender P bass is the standard in the country music genre" and that "no one plays a five string bass in country music." Is there really a standard that I missed?
I am wondering if this is a true statement and if so, so be it. If not could you all help me discover who else in country music plays a five string bass?
Thanks for helping me out. Bobb


I spent 3 years playing in a very successful country/bluegrass/rockabilly cover band ('05, '06, & '07). I was the youngest guy in the band at 45 yrs old when I joined. We did the whole old school look, cowboy hats & western style shirts, etc. I would never have been able to do the job with out my 5er. Front pup, roll off a little top end, and wha-la country tone. Just tell your "band leader" he is an idiot and move on. Life is too short to put up with people like that.