I rememeber this one time back in the early 80's we rolled up extremely late to our gig. Jacob Stein, a rep from the American Federation of Music, asked us if we were carrying our union cards. I wasn't in any mood for this bs, as we were running very late, so I told him he was going to mighty funny trying to eat corn on the cob with no effing teeth. Long story short, this was enough to convince him to talk the owner and put us on contract waivers that night.
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Cover Band Rules
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I rememeber this one time back in the early 80's we rolled up extremely late to our gig. Jacob Stein, a rep from the American Federation of Music, asked us if we were carrying our union cards. I wasn't in any mood for this bs, as we were running very late, so I told him he was going to mighty funny trying to eat corn on the cob with no effing teeth. Long story short, this was enough to convince him to talk the owner and put us on contract waivers that night.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
Their business model doesn't have to change. They don't want free exposure to get more free exposure. They want to get compensated. Again, if exposure is better than getting paid, start playing out at your local club for free exposure.
They were one of the higher earning bands back in the 1970s. They are still one of the biggest earning bands in 2020. I'll take their business acumen over yours any day.
I can only speak for myself. I'd pay to see them live but I'm not forking over $$ for the recordings other than streaming.
Nearly everything else your saying is guesswork and assumptions.
But I'm done with this.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
I think we've all played places where showing up and asking for money isn't a wise decision.
This issue of a venue paying fees for ACAP etc. emerged for me for the very first time (in a long "weekend warrior" career) about a year ago.
My covers band was booked for a Saturday night at a new venue for us. Earlier that week the local newspaper had a story about how a local venue had gotten busted for not paying the required fees.
The venue we were playing at a few days later let us get through a few of the covers we did, and then asked us to stop, tear down, and go home. It was clear that the manager/owner had gotten spooked by the news story that week.
Still don't know why he didn't raise the issue before we set up! It was clear we played covers.
My covers band was booked for a Saturday night at a new venue for us. Earlier that week the local newspaper had a story about how a local venue had gotten busted for not paying the required fees.
The venue we were playing at a few days later let us get through a few of the covers we did, and then asked us to stop, tear down, and go home. It was clear that the manager/owner had gotten spooked by the news story that week.
Still don't know why he didn't raise the issue before we set up! It was clear we played covers.
These music performance organizations have been around for decades & decades. They were started by musicians, to help keep musicians from being ripped off.
There will always be people who want to subvert the rules, cheat, break the law, or get away with something which hurts someone else. There will always be dishonest people.
There will always be people who want to subvert the rules, cheat, break the law, or get away with something which hurts someone else. There will always be dishonest people.
Now it is "was that," in Springfield Missouri. Three or four grocery stores had beer/wine bars and cup holders on the shopping carts so you could sip a pint while shopping, and either before, during or after, they would have live music in the corner of the store set aside for the beer bar and hot buffet, or have another pint at the bar, or all the above. Of course, the buffets are also gone, although you can get pre-made hot food in individual cartons for consumption on premises.
I have encountered this situation many times during my 5 decades of playing. I won't get into all the details.
I hire many bands (both cover bands and original acts) for municipal and non-profit organization festivals and we have to pay for ASCAP and BMI licenses for events that are one weekend a year.
By the way, funeral homes have to pay for ASCAP, BMI, & SESAC licenses to play recorded or live music at funerals.
I hire many bands (both cover bands and original acts) for municipal and non-profit organization festivals and we have to pay for ASCAP and BMI licenses for events that are one weekend a year.
By the way, funeral homes have to pay for ASCAP, BMI, & SESAC licenses to play recorded or live music at funerals.
their are laws, and there are fees, and often times, nobody is around to enforce them so it's pretty much never the band's problem. it's the venue's problem
I was a member for a couple years in Springfield in the 90s. I think pretty much the only union gigs by that point were musical theater and probably the symphony.
