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Cross-Over (Crossover or Splitter) pedals

#242
Bastijnv said:
I would also like to add that I use the 'tone' knob from the Orange Juice as a LPF in my high pass chain, to tame some hiss and less pleasing upper freq material that comes with the dirt pedals. Which makes the high freq side of the XO defacto a band pass filter chain.
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When I was playing with the Oxford I was pushing a lot of high-midrange with it to get a very clanky sound that it excels at- and had even done a mod described by a TB user that made it even brighter (which is part of what made it pretty thin on its own). I'd then put a Fairfield Accountant in my low loop which gave me a slightly saturated big fat low-end. It was a glorious combination as I remember, but I never had occasion to use it in a band yet as I've mostly been in the cleaner and rounder tonal universe since. I'll have to see how I like the Oxford set in a tamer and less-biting way
 
#243
Bastijnv said:
So we can share our thoughts on which freq the best crossover point is for various means.
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I have two crossover loopers on my large pedalboard. One is set at approx. 1.2 kHz and has Broughton Scorpion in the loop. I use it for pick playing.

The other has Jive saturator in the loop. The crossover frequency is set at approx. 300Hz. I use it for finger style...
 
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Terrible lighting, but threw the XO on my board last night. It'll take some time to dial in what I'm looking for, but initial reaction was great. I LOVE having my red muck (big Muff style circuit) in there, along with my JC fuzz Wah. I've never liked to use the fuzz independently to the rocking engaged, but now the articulation and definition remains underneath.

Signal chain;
Tuner
Boss NS-1x
(Noise gate loop)
Darkglass Vintage Deluxe
XO Crossover

(LP loop)
Empress Compressor

(HP loop)
Bass Fire Fuzz (or Tesla Wolf, testing different dirts here)
Red Muck
JC Wah
Boss CE-2w

(Return to XO)
(XO output to NS-1x)
Bassrig
 
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#246
Bastijnv said:
That's a good looking, well arranged board 😯 I'm curious about your decision of placing the VMT before the XO. Do you use the VMT only for tone shaping, or also for OD? If you're using it for OD, what are your thoughts on choosing the right XO point?
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Prior to the XO I was using it as tone shaping before hitting my gain stages to maximize my blends. I really loved how the grunt switch pushes my Bassrig.

Now with the Empress Compressor isolated to the bottom bands, I can use the EQ switch on it to add a slight saturation and the compression seems to feel a lot like the grunt switch. I'm actually thinking about moving the VD to the HP loop and use it more as an OD. Funny how the XO changes EVERYTHING.
 
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#248
Bastijnv said:
Time for an update after two weeks of fiddling with the XO. I'm still very impressed with the upgrade it gives to my dirt pedals. I even dusted off a bunch of pedals that were collecting dust because of not being able to hold the low or making the low end too muddy. In my low band there's the comp (always on) in my high band there's the VT Bass always on for adding character to the clean sound, and adding a bit more volume and high frequency content to the drive pedals up next. Into the Hustle Drive for a wide open distortion, the Fog for a gated fuzz that sounds a bit thin on it's own but massive with the XO. Them I reintroduced the Joyo Orange Juice (Tech 21 Oxford inspired) to the board, witch makes for a great low gain OD on its own, and adds character to the forementioned dirt pedals. This one was also collecting dust because of It not handing the low end well, but sounds very musically now with the XO. So I'm using a 'character' pedal now before and after dirt, which a big upgrade to the dirt pedals, as if they all have been upgraded with a 3-way 'colour' switch. Last in the high frequency band is the AO, which I always found a bit too muddy but sounds very clean and crisp now with the lows cut. This is a massive update from the LS2 which I used for mixing a clean and a dirt chain together with the same pedals.

The only small negative point is the absence of frequency marks on the XO button. I emailed GE FX about it. David responded, said he had the same question last week and drawed a diagram which I'm happy to share here. So we can share our thoughts on which freq the best crossover point is for various means. (I mostly find the 150hz xo point to brings the best out of the dirt pedals). Looking forward to see what other users think.

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After spending a LOT of time with my XO this weekend, I completely agree with the ~150hz mark. I decided to keep the VDeluxe prior to the XO and the compressor in the LP loop (EQ switch in center, using Darkglass for tone shaping).

I know many are excited to use "guitar" pedals in the HP loop, but I have to say I'm still loving the blend knobs for complete control to dial in what I want. The XO is definitely going to be a staple on my board for the foreseeable future
 
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I anybody using KMA Machines Tyler Deluxe?

I am considering getting one. My concern is that HP/LP filters have quite a wide range. Is it possible to set them "precisely"?

Let's say I want to set the crossover at 1.2 kHz. How does one achieve that?

THX
 
#256
Zbysek said:
Let us know what you think when you have a chance to try it.

I am considering getting XO myself.

I have been using Sugar Britches and Broughton FFXL. However, having an FX loop for the lows (like XO) is tempting...
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My initial plan/thought-experiment is to run a low gain Suncoast OD in the high loop and a DOD Bifet boost in the low loop. We'll see if that arrangement changes, I might end up leaving the low loop empty.
 
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#258
Zbysek said:
My plan is to place Octaver and compressor in the low loop, drives in the high loop…
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I started off doing this but found that I couldn't get a good balance between the two. If I had enough lows to make the clean side work, the drives sounded thin, but when my drives sounded good, the low side was just rumble. I ended up ditching a traditional crossover and opted to split the signal and give each side a dedicated high and low pass. I found both sides really need to get a good amount of 100hz for the whole thing to work. I suspect that's why a lot of people have a hard time cutting through a mix with a crossover rig. I know I did.
 
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FugaziBomb said:
I started off doing this but found that I couldn't get a good balance between the two. If I had enough lows to make the clean side work, the drives sounded thin, but when my drives sounded good, the low side was just rumble. I ended up ditching a traditional crossover and opted to split the signal and give each side a dedicated high and low pass. I found both sides really need to get a good amount of 100hz for the whole thing to work. I suspect that's why a lot of people have a hard time cutting through a mix with a crossover rig. I know I did.
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My experience is opposite. My crossover setup helps me cut through the mix better.

Where did you get the information, that a lot of people have hard time to cut through the mix with crossover?
 

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