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Davie504 finally playing live

Spoken like someone who has never had to gig for a living. That stuff takes a lot of work, and it has nothing to do with chops.

I spent over 20 years gigging full time. Yes, I can play the Victor Wooten stuff, I can slap as fast as Davie and the other influencer bass players. But that never got me a gig, because nobody hires for that stuff. Actual working musician skills are a lot deeper and take a lot of time in the real world to develop. Knowing thousands of songs, being able to think on your feet, reading/writing charts, navigating all the weird stuff that happens on gigs, those the the skills dudes like Davie don't show and likely don't have due to their lack of actual ensemble experience.

Good for him for learning to slap fast and mastering the art of YouTube shaky cams and quick cuts. I'm sure it makes him a lot of money. But that doesn't magically grant him the same skills as Nathan East.

Just shaky cams and quick cuts. That sounds super easy and simple. Shouldn't take you long to do just one video, and I'm sure just one wouldn't compromise your artistic integrity significantly, so seriously, why not? Just one, and get some significant views. Shouldn't take more than a half hour. Either you'll learn something, or I will. Maybe both. Davie would probably pay you to do it.
 
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He certainly can.

Did anyone mention that they have to some extent worked together (Charles Berthoud and Davie)? When looking at Berthoud, I can see where he has clearly learned A LOT from Davie about entertaining a Youtube viewership. Davie has a different skill set, but that skill set is valuable to Berthoud, clearly, so I believe it must have some value. Berthoud has the better bass skills, but Davie clearly has the better promotion/entertainment skills. Both things are worthy of appreciation.
 
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Just shaky cams and quick cuts. That sounds super easy and simple. Shouldn't take you long to do just one video, and I'm sure just one wouldn't compromise your artistic integrity significantly, so seriously, why not? Just one, and get some significant views. Shouldn't take more than a half hour. Either you'll learn something, or I will. Maybe both. Davie would probably pay you to do it.

No problem, I'll let my boss know that you're covering my shift for the next few days while I record and edit the footage.
 
Spoken like someone who has never had to gig for a living. That stuff takes a lot of work, and it has nothing to do with chops.

I spent over 20 years gigging full-time. Yes, I can play the Victor Wooten stuff, I can slap as fast as Davie and the other influencer bass players. But that never got me a gig, because nobody hires for that stuff. Actual working musician skills are a lot deeper and take a lot of time in the real world to develop. Knowing thousands of songs, being able to think on your feet, reading/writing charts, navigating all the weird stuff that happens on gigs, those the the skills dudes like Davie don't show and likely don't have due to their lack of actual ensemble experience.

Good for him for learning to slap fast and mastering the art of YouTube shaky cams and quick cuts. I'm sure it makes him a lot of money. But that doesn't magically grant him the same skills as Nathan East.
You've completely missed the point
Spoken like someone who has never had to gig for a living. That stuff takes a lot of work, and it has nothing to do with chops.

I spent over 20 years gigging full time. Yes, I can play the Victor Wooten stuff, I can slap as fast as Davie and the other influencer bass players. But that never got me a gig, because nobody hires for that stuff. Actual working musician skills are a lot deeper and take a lot of time in the real world to develop. Knowing thousands of songs, being able to think on your feet, reading/writing charts, navigating all the weird stuff that happens on gigs, those the the skills dudes like Davie don't show and likely don't have due to their lack of actual ensemble experience.

Good for him for learning to slap fast and mastering the art of YouTube shaky cams and quick cuts. I'm sure it makes him a lot of money. But that doesn't magically grant him the same skills as Nathan East.
You're correct, I have never had to gig for a living, but I have been taking lessons and classes with one of the top bassists in my area. I see how hard that dude works; he gigs legit 300-plus times a year. He can identify chord changes to any song in like 2 seconds, and his knowledge of repertoire across all genres is astounding. His work ethic, musical knowledge, and skills on his instrument make him a first-call musician for many gigs.
It is difficult work, but as I said, with some time in the shed and a couple of gigs, it would not take long for Davie to become a first-call guy. He has demonstrated his musical capability more than enough times on his channel. Now, he is making millions "slapping bass in his bedroom" so why the hell would he want to go out and grind 300 gigs a year?

I understand that you are going to bat for yourself and your fellow gigging musicians, and I agree that it is very difficult work. It is frustrating when people around you do not understand how hard it is and how much work you put in to become a top gigging musician. Even I, just being a mere music student starting to get some gigs, nobody seems to respect my practice time and they treat the gigs I do as something I do for relaxation or something.
I do respect you and all gigging musicians a ton, but it bugs me when folks rain on Davie's parade. That just creates this toxic culture where everyone is afraid to express their skills on their instrument for fear of being shamed. Can't we all just be happy for someone else's success?
 
You've completely missed the point

You're correct, I have never had to gig for a living, but I have been taking lessons and classes with one of the top bassists in my area. I see how hard that dude works; he gigs legit 300-plus times a year. He can identify chord changes to any song in like 2 seconds, and his knowledge of repertoire across all genres is astounding. His work ethic, musical knowledge, and skills on his instrument make him a first-call musician for many gigs.
It is difficult work, but as I said, with some time in the shed and a couple of gigs, it would not take long for Davie to become a first-call guy. He has demonstrated his musical capability more than enough times on his channel. Now, he is making millions "slapping bass in his bedroom" so why the hell would he want to go out and grind 300 gigs a year?

I understand that you are going to bat for yourself and your fellow gigging musicians, and I agree that it is very difficult work. It is frustrating when people around you do not understand how hard it is and how much work you put in to become a top gigging musician. Even I, just being a mere music student starting to get some gigs, nobody seems to respect my practice time and they treat the gigs I do as something I do for relaxation or something.
I do respect you and all gigging musicians a ton, but it bugs me when folks rain on Davie's parade. That just creates this toxic culture where everyone is afraid to express their skills on their instrument for fear of being shamed. Can't we all just be happy for someone else's success?

I don't get why people are so freaking worried about an influencers feelings. He makes money by generating content that engages people. If he puts out a crappy product people talk about how much it sucks and he makes money.

His feelings aren't hurt. Even if he does something lazy and lame he's making more cash than the rest of us. So why are you so terrified to hear someone say "yeah that guy is a typical influencer but a lot of the skills that make him money on YouTube don't translate to success in the real world." That's not a dig on him, that's reality.

What sucks is seeing young players read posts like this. They get the idea that if they SLAPP REEL HARD they will make a fortune. Or if they come up with a gimmick it's just as good as having real musical skills. These guys are actors. They are clowns dancing for your amusement with a guitar on their lap. Some of them have real musicianship underneath and some of them are nothing without their big red nose.
 
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I don't get why people are so freaking worried about an influencers feelings. He makes money by generating content that engages people. If he puts out a crappy product people talk about how much it sucks and he makes money.

His feelings aren't hurt. Even if he does something lazy and lame he's making more cash than the rest of us. So why are you so terrified to hear someone say "yeah that guy is a typical influencer but a lot of the skills that make him money on YouTube don't translate to success in the real world." That's not a dig on him, that's reality.

What sucks is seeing young players read posts like this. They get the idea that if they SLAPP REEL HARD they will make a fortune. Or if they come up with a gimmick it's just as good as having real musical skills. These guys are actors. They are clowns dancing for your amusement with a guitar on their lap. Some of them have real musicianship underneath and some of them are nothing without their big red nose.
At least *they* are fun at parties.
 
I don't get why people are so freaking worried about an influencers feelings. He makes money by generating content that engages people. If he puts out a crappy product people talk about how much it sucks and he makes money.

His feelings aren't hurt. Even if he does something lazy and lame he's making more cash than the rest of us. So why are you so terrified to hear someone say "yeah that guy is a typical influencer but a lot of the skills that make him money on YouTube don't translate to success in the real world." That's not a dig on him, that's reality.

What sucks is seeing young players read posts like this. They get the idea that if they SLAPP REEL HARD they will make a fortune. Or if they come up with a gimmick it's just as good as having real musical skills. These guys are actors. They are clowns dancing for your amusement with a guitar on their lap. Some of them have real musicianship underneath and some of them are nothing without their big red nose.

Hah! That is not "reality" at all. Influencers (is that even what Davie is?) are in the current real world, full-time gigging musicians are becoming a thing of the past. It's all the real world, only some of it is past tense.
 
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Just checked out Charles Berthoud’s channel. He can play :cool:



He certainly can.

Charles is the best technically perfect player I've ran across. And his tapping skills are second to none.

I agree. To me, his videos are much more enjoyable to watch.... all the skills and he looks like he is enjoying himself.

In saying that he only has around 10% of the youtube audience of Davie so, to a certain extent, the modern ADHD form of video editing and slapstick is obviously working well for Davie. And there's no denying that he can play well.

It's similar to the fact that some of the biggest selling music in the world is bubblegum pop with very little musical substance.
 

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